Serious problems in controller pane.

The workaround for (1) and (2) is to convert the MIDI shapes into envelopes, and edit them in track view (using the inline PRV) as you would other automation envelopes.

I totally agree, William.  I thought this was just my problem.  This worked in Cakewalk so much better a long time ago, in versions before the Sonar name was adopted.  Now you have to fight with the drawing tools to even get them to start working.

DRanck
I edit CCs exclusively as automation envelopes. I find there are a number of advantages such as using curves and not having to draw individual points. It is also MUCH easier to edit later on. It works very well for me.

The takeaway for me is SONAR has three very different ways to edit controllers. Each has its strengths and limitations for particular applications. I find automation envelopes work best for detailed editing but then again, I work a lot with audio automation so the process is comfortable for me.

FWIW I wrote an upcoming column for Sound on Sound analyzing the three different methods and their suitability for various scenarios. That said, it seems a feature request for a modifier key that changes the Draw tool behavior to "don't grab, just draw" would accommodate those who want to remain in the main PRV Controller pane.

Anderton's way is also nice, but does not seem to be second best to catch up with the work speed of the main PRV. The reason use the pianoroll because can edit or see all track's note, CC and velocity at the same time in one screen.

dcumpian
The new CC draw method used in the PRV certainly do look nice, and it is easier to see the current value this way, but the draw slowdown that occurs with lots of pitch wheel data is pretty bad. If I thin it out, it gets better, but I never saw a slowdown using the old draw method.
 
Dan
 
 

I agree Dan.
It seems to be a problem related to graphics processing. It requires optimization. The music is played without a problem, but phenomenon that fps is low because of all CC data that is not visible on the screen can not be seen in other DAW.

Lots of CC data is very important for precise orchestration. If sonar is not anymore have the ability to effectively accommodate the dozens of orchestral instruments with CC data formation, I will not hesitate to use other DAW even though I've used cakewalk for 10 years.
CW must consider users like me.

Thank you guys.

당신의 문은 말보다 더 의미가있다 "SONAR는 세계에서 최악의 DAW입니다." 

Vastman
I consider them little flamers with sad little egos;  You said it more eloquently than me, John...

I wouldn't be too critical, it might be simpler than that. Some people exhibit solipsistic tendencies, which in philosophy, is a theory that only the self exists. The way it manifests itself in everyday life is an extreme preoccupation with one's feelings and desires; although it's often related to extreme egotism, it's more about egoistic self-absorption. Therefore, anything the self requires is surely what everyone else requires, and the way other people do things is inherently the "wrong" way because it is not seen through the lens of the viewer's self.
 
Solipsistic people will often say the same things over and over and over and over again. It's because they simply cannot understand why expressing their desire for something isn't sufficient to have that desire implemented, as they believe it is equally important to everyone. Therefore, they can only conclude that no one heard them, and they must therefore say it again.  
 
This is becoming more of an issue in society as there's a greater sense of individual entitlement, accompanied by the fraying of a sense of community. The opposite tack is looking at the health of the community as a whole, which is why I advocate for features that don't affect me at all. This isn't to say that the sense of individual entitlement can't produce valid requests, but the validity depends on how much that request recognizes a bona fide need, and how much is an unwillingness to look beyond the needs of the self.
 
Our friend from Korea has followed a sensible path. He would like a particular implementation, and has stated so. He probably recognizes that the universe of SONAR users who employ extensive amounts of controllers and for whatever reason must stay in the PRV may be small, but that accommodating these people would open up SONAR to another group of users. Therefore, he adds his voice to those making a particular request, and hopes that enough others feel similarly that this change will be made.
 
On the other hand, he probably couldn't care less about Drum Maps, which is important to people as well. Therefore, Cakewalk - not being able to implement all requests - has to make decisions about which features will be the most beneficial to the community as a whole.

luna004
I've interpreted your article for an hour, I fully understand your mind. You are a good man!

Luna you are also a good person. We have no argument with you or your posts. It is your ability to understand that makes you a good person. Thank you.

I'm sorry my joke was not funny.   My somewhat serious point was: in this regard, this particular feature, Sonar really is worst of any DAW I know.    I didn't mean to say that sonar is overall worst, by any means, not even jokingly.   I hope everyone sees "Best DAW" on cakewalk's promotional materials, though it might be nice if that phrase were retired since public opinion does not seem to support it.  

Susan G
 
Hi Craig-
 
This is one reason I don't spend much time here nowadays. Maybe you didn't mean this as an ad hominem attack, but it sure sounded like one to me.
 
-Susan

You're welcome to interpret what I wrote any way you want. But I would prefer that you re-read the post before mine to which I responded, which said:
 
"I agree... there are a select group of folks that I no longer listen to as they spew garbage rather than offer useful insights...They'll interject themselves into a thread, generally show an incomplete understanding of a situation and rant... I consider them little flamers with sad little egos..."
 
My post started off with "I wouldn't be too critical, it might be simpler than that" and I mentioned tendencies and related it to society as a whole. You don't have to be Einstein to see the preoccupation with self in today's world - hence words like "selfie," the preoccupation with "likes" on Facebook, the refusal to interact with other people except through text messages which are not a dialog, but serial monologues under the control of the sender. I even said that "This isn't to say that the sense of individual entitlement can't produce valid requests, but the validity depends on how much that request recognizes a bona fide need, and how much is an unwillingness to look beyond the needs of the self."
 
What I wrote certainly seems devoid of value judgments. My goal was to try to explain the motivations and mindset of (not in MY words) "a select group of folks that I no longer listen to as they spew garbage rather than offer useful insights."
 
I wish you would take what I write at face value rather than judging based on what something "sounded like" to you. I really do try to be very clear with the words I choose.
 
99% of my posts here are dedicated to answering questions and helping people. However I am a human being and subject to being buffeted by events in my life that involve death, stress, and illness. These provide a sense of perspective that make me feel that some petty comments some people make in this forum, and the lack of consideration for the community (e.g., especially the guy who used the community as his own personal manual because his time was "too important" to look for answers himself - thus assigning no value to the time people took in good faith to help him), provide nothing constructive.
 
I've been hosting internet forums continuously for 20 years that have accumulated well over a half million posts. People who are allowed free reign for mindless negativity (I'm speaking generally here, so please don't read anything into that) are like a cancer that will infect a forum over time. Someone has to serve as a bouncer to stand up to these people before they take root. Being a bouncer is not fun. As the old saying goes, "never wrestle with a pig. You'll just get dirty, and the pig likes it." And sometimes you look like a bad guy because you decked someone and threw him out of the club. But it lets the remaining people in the club have a more enjoyable experience.
 
I stopped posting for a while because I just couldn't stand to visit the forum and see what I was reading from some posts. I made me so disappointed in people. What kind of a world do they want to create? A world where all that matters is self-gratification, and where a cohesive society has no inherent value?
 
You're perfectly free to judge based on how you interpret words, and I welcome your comments, because it gives me an opportunity to remind you of the post to which I was responding. But I think if you re-read what I said, none of it was judgmental; the first two paragraphs were more academic than anything else, then segued into society as whole, pointed out an example of what I thought was a good way to effect change, and closed with a practical example. I make no apologies for that, but clearly, it's time for me to stay away from this place again (other than the tip of the week, which I promised Andrew I would do) if trying to explain peoples' behavior so others can be more tolerant of them is interpreted as an ad hominem attack.
 
P.S. My comments directed to williamcopper ended with "It will not be possible to please everyone and every way of working. That is why I wonder why someone who thinks SONAR should be marketed as the 'world's worst DAW' is not using what he thinks is the world's best DAW. If I think someone makes the 'world's worst music,' I won't listen to it. I'll listen to music that I like." That is obviously not an attack; I think it is a valid question to ask someone why they persist in using something which they say should be marketed as "the world's worst DAW." 
 
P.P.S. to williamcopper - conveying humor in a text-only medium is fraught with problems, ask any magazine or newspaper writer. This is why emoticons and acronyms like LOL and ROTFL were invented, so that shadings could be given online that aren't possible without facial expressions or body language. I can't guarantee anyone would have thought what you said was funny if you'd added an emoticon, but as least they would have understood that was your intention.
 
As to "public opinion does not seem to support it," this may actually relate to what I said about seeing things through a subjective lens. Musicradar said "It’s reasonable to suggest that Sonar is the most popular PC-only DAW in the world" in the context of their article on the "19 best DAW software apps in the world today." AudioFanzine gave it a "Best Product of 2015." SONAR has won at least one "Key Buy" from Keyboard magazine. It also twice won a Music International Press Award, a highly prestigious European-based award which is voted on by the editors of over 100 magazines around the world, and been nominated for a Technical Excellence and Creativity award. "Get That Pro Sound" listed SONAR among the best software in the world. Synthtopia listed it as one of the ten best DAWs in the world. And so on. They are charged with judging products based on overall merit compared to the overall merit of other programs. They understand that different programs have different strengths and need to take both strengths and limitations into account. And IIRC, none of these accolades reflected advertising support, because there wasn't any except possibly an ad or two in Keyboard over the years.
 
That's enough for now, on multiple levels.

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