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2015/09/01 08:36:39 (permalink)

User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away.

I Just installed Win10 x64 and installed the Glouster and Hopkin updates for Sonar Platinum.  Now several programs including SONAR open a "User control" box warning me that this program is going to change my computer and do I want to let it, yes or no.  I want this to go away.  Following other instructions, e.g. with jbridge, I went into properties/ compatibility tab, and selected run as administrator.  This made the jbridge errors go away, but still, when I run Sonar I get the User control box.  How do I make this go away and not open - default to yes?
 
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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 10:23:35 (permalink)
When installing an application this is normal, this is protecting your security and you need to run this.

If you are running an application such as Sonar and it's asking for administrator access,you can disable run as administrator in the shortcut properties.

If you are enabling run as administrator that's what will happen, you have to live with clicking YES each time you run an app. That's just the way it works. You really should not be running the application as administrator anyway but sometimes you have to. You maybe should research other workarounds such as registry permission hacks if your software is not working correctly. Ultimately you want to stop running jbridge as admin. Try and get a 64 bit plugin to replace what you are using for instance (get rid of 32 bit plugins! :) ).

If you value your security DO NOT turn off UAC. MS have not intended this technology just to nag you. Again DO NOT turn off UAC I cannot stress this enough.

I would also do a routine virus scan and malware scan (with something like Malwarebytes).

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post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/01 10:37:16

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 11:27:37 (permalink)
My understanding is that you can disable those notifications without actually disabling UAC. I don't have W10 yet, but I'd start with the control panel and look for a checkbox labeled "constantly pester me with warning dialogs" and un-check it.


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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 11:33:44 (permalink)
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My understanding is that you can disable those notifications without actually disabling UAC. I don't have W10 yet, but I'd start with the control panel and look for a checkbox labeled "constantly pester me with warning dialogs" and un-check it.


The whole point of UAC is to warn you that a program needs administrator access. This could be a virus or a piece of malware. If the answer is Yes by default you put your security at risk. Please DO NOT disable this. I cannot stress this enough.

It is called USER access control, not computer access control.

Ta.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/01 11:47:03

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 11:40:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Phoenix 2015/09/01 17:13:47
if you know how windows works, only install legit software, and don't spend time on dodgy websites, you can disable UAC - otherwise just live with it...
in windows 10, search (win+S) for "uac"

just a sec

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 11:51:11 (permalink)
Viruses happen on legit websites every so often, they can get hacked. Staying away from dodgy websites isn't going to make your system perfectly safe and secure. People often make mistakes clicking on the wrong link, and occasionally legit apps are distributed with viruses by accident. Your friend might also send you an infected file by accident. If you know the way windows works you would keep it on!

If you want the full detail on why you should never turn it off:

http://www.7tutorials.com...ould-never-turn-it-off
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/01 12:00:58

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 12:20:02 (permalink)
Some folks here are missing the point, I think.
I encountered the same behavior as OP, in that under Windows 7, I could run SONAR without any UAC warning. After I upgraded to Win10, nothing I could do could prevent this UAC dialog from appearing.
I made no changes to my UAC settings (that I know of) and I certainly don't have UAC disabled under Windows 7.
 
Anyway, I reverted to Windows 7 for other reasons so this no longer affects me. But it definitely seems to be some kind of change in how UAC is treating Sonar.
I do wonder if a clean install of Windows 10 followed by a clean install of Sonar would end up with the same situation.
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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 12:22:43 (permalink)
ok if you like
 
use firefox with noscript, adblock plus and privacy badger
 
if my friend sent me an infected file - or i downloaded one - my av would catch it
 
blocking/disallowing/whitelisting javascript is your safest way to play interwebz
 
i'd be interested in knowing which legit apps have distributed virii in the last, say, 5 years?

just a sec

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 12:23:29 (permalink)
(that was in reply to alex)

just a sec

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 13:32:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Phoenix 2015/09/01 17:14:56
Weird, I have 4 computers in my house all with UAC turned off and never picked up a virus or malware.
(knock on wood)


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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 14:32:22 (permalink)
@stickman reading the OP's post I didn't interperate it that way. He's saying he actually put in 'run as administrator' for jbridge to make 'errors' go away (whatever they may be?). That's gonna trigger UAC.

@qustabo i Click on the link above I suggest. Lucky you. If I had 50 quid for every time I heard that, and then a month later I get a support phone call ;)

At pwalpwal protecting the administrative account is one of the very basics of security. Linux has the same thing, it's called su or sudo (super user do). You can give as much as security advice as you like, but none of it makes UAC unnecessary, it is much like a firewall for the admin account.. You might as well say 'turn off your firewall as well' (btw don't). Improving your security at one end does not mean you are safe to turn off security at the other. You don't buy a secure new front door and then unlock the back door.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/01 15:00:41

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 14:55:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Phoenix 2015/09/01 17:15:19
gustabo
Weird, I have 4 computers in my house all with UAC turned off and never picked up a virus or malware.
(knock on wood)


yeah....I have had it turned off on all of my computers for years. I run Kaspersky Internet Security and have never had problems either.

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 15:01:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Phoenix 2015/09/01 17:15:26
You can disable UAC
 
As in another thread, a little common sense goes a long way.
First, have an up-to-date backup image file.  That's the ultimate fail-safe.
  • If you're not sending/receiving Email (your greatest odds of getting infected)
  • If you're not opening unknown attachments
  • If you're doing limited surfing of trusted corporate sites (Cakewalk, Steinberg, etc for updates/authorization), your odds of getting infected are extremely low.  
Could you possibly be infected by a trusted site?  Yes, but the odds are minute.
You could also walk out the door tomorrow and a tree fall and land on your head.
If the OP takes proper precautions, he can disable UAC without worry...
 
 

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 15:28:19 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry 
If the OP takes proper precautions, he can disable UAC without worry...

 
Well I've heard it all now! So it's perfectly fine to expose the administrator account . Wow.
 
I still don't know how you can claim that your PC is virus or malware free without installing a virus scanner/malware scanner. 
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/01 15:37:06

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 15:39:09 (permalink)
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Jim Roseberry 
If the OP takes proper precautions, he can disable UAC without worry...

 
Well I've heard it all now! So it's perfectly fine to expose the administrator account . Wow.
 
I still don't know how you can claim that your PC is virus or malware free without installing a virus scanner/malware scanner. 


Who claimed that their PC is virus or malware free without installing a virus scanner/malware scanner?


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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 16:47:52 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry 
If the OP takes proper precautions, he can disable UAC without worry...

 
Doktor Avalanche
Well I've heard it all now! So it's perfectly fine to expose the administrator account . Wow.
 
I still don't know how you can claim that your PC is virus or malware free without installing a virus scanner/malware scanner. 

 
gustabo
Who claimed that their PC is virus or malware free without installing a virus scanner/malware scanner?



On another thread:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3279769
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/01 16:57:05

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 16:51:26 (permalink)
Oh yeah, silly me...
 


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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 17:40:36 (permalink)
Not silly at all. Cheers :)

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 20:52:38 (permalink)
 I turn it off because it is annoying, even more annoying that removing malware.
If you have Windows 10 and started by getting the Insider Preview I would suggest turning off getting the latest builds.
 I believe the latest Windows 10 updates reset a lot of things without your permission.  Windows 10 is an ongoing OS which means updates are not just security updates but some things to improve the OS. 

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/01 22:00:44 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
You can disable UAC
 
As in another thread, a little common sense goes a long way.
First, have an up-to-date backup image file.  That's the ultimate fail-safe.
  • If you're not sending/receiving Email (your greatest odds of getting infected)
  • If you're not opening unknown attachments
  • If you're doing limited surfing of trusted corporate sites (Cakewalk, Steinberg, etc for updates/authorization), your odds of getting infected are extremely low.  
Could you possibly be infected by a trusted site?  Yes, but the odds are minute.
You could also walk out the door tomorrow and a tree fall and land on your head.
If the OP takes proper precautions, he can disable UAC without worry...
 
 


You are voice of reason Jim:) 

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/02 04:23:19 (permalink)
I think there's a lot of education needs to happen here, people just aren't getting the standard operating system principle that admin account should not be exposed, and what the real consequences can be here.
 
If they wish to take a big risk for the sake of their little inconvenience, or they think precautions and turning off stuff make this unnecessary functionality, or they think virus scanners will capture all security violations, well good luck to them.... however they are exposing one big hole, and they will need luck.
 
It's extremely disappointing to be honest that apparently qualified people can encourage it under the banner of "common sense". One of the big reasons why windows viruses went right down in numbers was because UAC was introduced in XP. Disabling it is not "common sense", but frankly madness.

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Re: User Account Control in Windows 10- Make it go away. 2015/09/02 07:11:46 (permalink)
To the OP: If you really must make changes to the UAC just click on the notification Icon. Then All settings. Type UAC in the search box and you will see the option to make changes to the Account Control. Once you are in the UAC settings are the same as with other versions of windows.
 
On my computer its always on the minimum setting. On my Wife and kiddies I do not change it. I also restrict them to using a non administrative user account.
 
You are at your own risk if you make changes though.

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