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Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
I have not bothered to download Dim pro thinking it's just for synthetic sounds.
I'm old school so I'm interested in "real" instrument sounds. IOW strings, keys, horns etc rather than synthetics.
Which of these would be better? Other ideas?
Thanks guys.
Glenn
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/04 00:40:47
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/04 00:43:00
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Dimension Pro is the one you want to download, it has quite a few "real" instrument sounds.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/04 00:47:23
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/04 10:29:35
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Dim Pro. It is the emulation synth in the Cake stable and you have it for free.
Rapt pro has all of DimP's samples (I believe) plus Rapt's and more. But it ain't free.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/04 10:37:45
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Thanks AT
I'm installing as I type. Now to refresh how to set it up with my keyboard. lol, I'll review some vids on midi setup.
IOW attach dusty USB keyboard, boot sonar, find keyboard in preferences, install DP from synth rack etc. if I recall
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/04 10:51:26
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Plug the keyboard into the PC then start SONAR and add the keyboard in Preferences > MIDI > Devices "Inputs."
When adding DPro to the synth rack, using the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog, select either a Simple Instrument Track or "MIDI Source" and "First Synth Audio Output" and DPro will be inserted into the project with the appropriate track(s). Select the keyboard in the instrument/MIDI track input drop down and enable input echo.
Then load a program into DPro by clicking the entry at the top of the UI which says "Empty Program." The keyboard should play the program.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/04 12:36:43
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Well described, thanks Steve.
I'm in and good to go.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/06 08:38:17
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I also wonder, if I get Dim Pro and Rapture classic with SPlat, what's the point of buying Rapture Pro? Does it have better sounds, different sound engine? Or is it just a newer GUI and better user experience? The same question goes for buying ZETA2 while having zeta classic - is it worth it?
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/06 09:26:14
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Both RPro and Z3TA+2 have different UIs, additional content and demos
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Rapture/Try-Rapture
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Z3TA/Web-Trial
Yeah, I've tried Rapture Pro demo. It comes with just a couple of "real" instruments heavily tweaked with some LFOs. Nothing exciting or useful. What I would like to know is what users say about how these newer instruments compare to their older versions. Like "the newer instrument is so much better [easier, more intuitive, etc.] than the old one", or "can't tell the difference between the two except for the GUI".
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/06 10:50:49
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I don't know about the demo, but the real Rapt Pro has the entire library (as far as I can tell) for DimPro (as well as Rapture). As well as new sample content and new patches.
The UI for Rapt Pro is about the same as Rapt, although there are more live controllers which I love. The engine is the same - Renés SFZ. There are step sequencers now for DimPro patches - which you seem to have noticed.
It is an evolutionary step between all three of the synths, and nice to have one synth to rule all the patches. SFZ may not be as universal as Kontakt, but the content deal by adding Rapture Pro on sale for Cake users wouldn't buy much of a library for Kontakt, or Kontakt itself.
Personally, I use Rapt Pro (now) as a main synth on just about every project that needs a synth. And for my own stuff, too, along w/ Alchemy and Kontakt. It is equal to those, but different.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/06 12:44:43
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I don't know about the demo, but the real Rapt Pro has the entire library (as far as I can tell) for DimPro (as well as Rapture). As well as new sample content and new patches. So, basically, if I don't need more content or buy extra patches there's no point in getting this new gen synth? ATIt is an evolutionary step between all three of the synths, and nice to have one synth to rule all the patches. I agree, it's nice. Can I use one instance of RP and assign different patches to different MIDI channels? I like the GUI and concept of this synth, just not sure how useful it can be, probably mostly because of the weird demo sounds. And not sure why would I need another synth that will double DimPro libraries. Well, how about ZETA 2? Any obvious improvements?
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/08 11:13:23
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2015/09/08 15:49:43
I'm not sure what extra acoustic emulations RaptPro has over DimPro. I do know all the organs I expected in DimPro were actually thick as thieves in Rapture. That is one aspect of RaptPro that is easy to overlook - having one synth to look though for needed programs instead of two. Oh, shoot, that "Jimmy" organ patch is in Rapt not Dim. It does save time whether you are looking for a specific sound or just browsing. And there is plenty of new content in Rapture Pro that isn't in either DimPro or Rapture. It comes w/ 12 gigs, which is a few gigs more than DimPro if I remember. And it points to other libraries you may have bought. If you can get it cheap right now it is a good investment for the long haul, if you are a synthesis. If not, it might not be worth it. If you are heavy into acoustic emulations for sound tracks etc. you just need to spring for Kontakt and some orch libraries (more of a giant leap than spring, since you'll be spending hundreds of dollars just to get up and running w/ a smaller library than Rapt. Z3TA 2 does everything that Z3TA + did and has about the same # of extra programs. It is a synth's synth, and if you are looking for an acoustic emulator you are barking up the wrong tree. It has a few synth wave forms, not sample. That being said, it isn't a great analog emulator either, being too cutting rather than round and smooth. And many of the 2000 presets are more dance oriented. However, it has a great mod matrix and I use it like a modular analog synth. Z3TA 2 has a few more of this and that (and lots of new presets) but the outstanding feature for me is syncing the wave controllers to lfos etc. or playing them live. It is kinda like wave-sequencing, in that you are manipulating the raw sound of the wave, rather than the subtraction part of analog synths. Very cool, but I doubt you'll find a lot of acoustic uses for it. @
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/08 12:05:10
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Thanks for that review Mr. Tubbs. I'll be trying out the various acoustic emulators. I did find an acceptable strings model for the song I was working on..
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/09 05:04:40
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MGMitchell
I'm installing as I type.
So, what's the story? How's the overall impression? Do you find RaptPro more useful than DimPro?
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/09 11:24:05
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So far I have only used DimPro and it did the job (strings) altho some tweaking was needed. I'm trying to get used to the cheap Alesis QX25 keys and velocity sensitivity. (Guitar player, not a keyboarder) I do see Rapture and Rapture LE in the list but haven't explored it yet. Dim and Rap look similar so it should be ok for learning curves. Is "Rapture" the same as Rapture pro?
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/09 11:48:20
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Rapture is not Rapture Pro. It is an older product. If you have both Rapture and Rapture LE, forget about Rapture LE, it is essentially a Rapture preset player. As mentioned above Rapture is oriented more toward synth sounds.
Rapture Pro is a new synth which plays both DPro and Rapture presets. DPro and Rapture are no longer sold separately, they are only available bundled with SONAR. Rapture Pro is available as a paid upgrade to DPro and Rapture.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/09 13:45:35
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Well stated. Thanks, Steve
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/27 18:46:32
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I think you are confusing Rapture with Dimension Pro which is a Sampler playback unit basically. Rapture is the synthesizer. I am the opposite of you I want the synthesizer stuff to work and am not as interested in Samplers.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/28 10:39:34
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Thanks MM. This shows how little I know about the subject.
So Dim Pro plays back pre made samples (including synth samples i assume) while rapture creates synth sounds from scratch?
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/28 10:56:46
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It is not that simple. Both synths can load and playback samples. Both make use of sfz files. Many of the sfz files bundled with DPro play fine in Rapture. There are differences though and given you were looking for the synth which plays "real instrument" sounds, out of the box DPro is the choice of the two.
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2015/09/28 21:41:48
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Good analysis scook, thanks.
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2015/09/29 13:18:34
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If you need more info, it is important to understand the history. Over 10 years ago computer software was replacing hardware samplers. Cake, along with SONAR, developed another soft synth player environment called P5. P5 V2 was coming out and they jumped on the computer sample bandwagon. So they hired REné Ceballos who had already developed several synths, including Z3ta. He also had SFZ as a replacement for Sound Blaster Sound Fonts, at that point an almost universal format and developed a Sound Font player, which you can still find for free, I believe. Anyway, for P5 he developed Dimension, a sample-playback synth that not only had a good faceplate for editing but one you could use further SFZ editing with to expand your palate. Unfortunately, SFZ is still today a script controller, using word pad etc.
Dimension only came w/ P5, so they used the same synth but added more samples/programs and came up with Dimension Pro as a separate product. René took the same synth, added step sequencers to the LFO etc controls and different samples and voilá, you have Rapture Pro. Both those synths got packaged w/ SONAR and they have combined the 6 elements and step sequencers of Rapt w/ Dimension's larger, acoustic library and voilá, you have Rapt Pro (along with more programs/samples and other enhancements).
The same sfz synth engine powers all of them, and they have the same faceplates and operating system, so there is no learning curve. For a good price (or it was) you combine both synth libraries under one engine and get more of libraries to boot. And there is nothing now to stop you from easily adding step sequencers to your trombone samples and other out there editing.
It is a nice and simple 10-year progression of what is essential the same synth. If I was starting out today I wouldn't load Rapt - I already haven't downloaded DimPro.
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Re: Dim pro? Rapture pro? "real " instruments?
2015/09/29 13:29:26
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René took the same synth, added step sequencers to the LFO etc controls and different samples and voilá, you have Rapture Pro.
The synth was called Rapture. Rapture Pro is the replacement synth for DPro and Rapture release this year as you indicate in the subsequent sentence. The sfz engine is also the basis for the SI series and Session Drummer 3.
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2015/09/30 00:53:44
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Right. Too many Raptures for this down-to-earth guy. How to screw up a history.
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