colodean
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Recorded note duration = 1
Hello all, I am having a problem when recording from the Roland FA-06 to Sonar. I am using Windows 8.1 64 bit and Sonar Home Studio 7, which I understand is an older version, but I'm hoping someone may have an answer for me and connected to a Roland FA-06 via USB. Here is what I am doing. Start new blank project, insert appropriate number of midi tracks, enable all tracks to record and correct input channel settings, click record. The song starts playing and it does record but 95% of the notes end up with a duration of 1. The staff view ends up showing a lot of 1/16th notes and rests to fill the measure. It doesn't matter if the notes are 1/8th (which is usually the shortest note played) 1/4 or longer notes. The other 5% will have the correct note duration. I have no clue where to start looking to fix this and would appreciate any input you may have. Thanks, Dean If this is not in the correct forum area, please move as needed.
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brundlefly
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/05 01:51:21
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What are you recording - multi-channel MIDI sequences from an external sequencer or your real-time performance from a controller keyboard? In either case, I'm thinking that might happen if a MIDI track input is set to Omni and your keyboard is connected by both MIDI DIN cable and USB so that Home Studio is receiving duplicate note events from the two ports. Usually that would affect all note events, though.
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colodean
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/05 10:16:10
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Thanks for the reply, I am recording multi-channel sequences that have been stored on the keyboard sequencer. I did make sure all tracks are set to record individual channels and not Omni. I am only connected with a USB cable. It's almost as if it is receiving a note on message and immediately getting the note off message but its not every note just the majority. This makes me think I have some MIDI setting off/on that I need to correct, just not sure what setting. Something I found while clicking around (it has been a while since I have used the software) in the staff view there is a icon for fill duration. When I click that, it changes most notes to the correct duration. But it also deletes (or overwrites) some notes so 2 1/8th notes become a single 1/4 note and makes other random changes to my score. My thought is to try and re-record but look at the staff view first and click that on before recording. I've never used that particular button/icon before but I guess it can't hurt to try.
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brundlefly
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/05 13:34:10
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The Trim/Fill Durations options in the Staff View are just display modes; they don't affect the actual recorded/stored/played duration of the notes. I think something must be wrong at the keyboard end or with the interface driver. It sounds like Home Studio is not receiving Note Off messages for all events, and is giving them a default value of 1. But if it were just a bad cable or something, I would expect you'd be missing some Note Ons as well. If the USB connection isn't using a default Windows driver, make sure you have the latest keyboard driver installed, and maybe try a different USB port or a USB2 instead of USB3 if you have both. Or if you have the option to use MIDI DIN cable, try that.
post edited by brundlefly - 2015/09/05 13:47:11
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colodean
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/05 23:16:38
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Thanks for the trim/fill info. I will try another cable, I have an old Yamaha MIDI to USB interface somewhere that I might give a shot. I did check the driver for the FA and it says its the latest available. Not exactly sure, I assume I have USB 2 ports. My computer is a couple years old but I will try plugging it into a different spot. Haven't been home today, but will give a few things a try in the morning and see if I can make any progress.
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/06 01:51:43
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colodean Thanks for the reply, I am recording multi-channel sequences that have been stored on the keyboard sequencer.
If the sequences are recorded on the FA-06, is it not possible to just transfer the SMF (standard MIDI file) from the FA-06 via SD card without playing them in real time?
post edited by slartabartfast - 2015/09/06 02:02:04
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colodean
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/06 11:28:48
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If the sequences are recorded on the FA-06, is it not possible to just transfer the SMF (standard MIDI file) from the FA-06 via SD card without playing them in real time?
That part does work. So I tried recording live performance and have the same issue but I did find something else strange that maybe will help to identify the problem. I arm the track, switch to the PRV, click record and begin playing various length notes. While playing I see the notes played and they are showing the correct duration. When I stop playing and click stop the notes go from showing the correct duration to little marks on the page showing the duration of 1 ( some show a duration of 0 but still shows a note) Again not every note but the vast majority of them. I tried recording the multi-track sequence over and it also shows the correct note duration in the PRV while being recorded, but when it stops, that is when everything changes and I loose the note duration. I think this eliminates a setting on the FA and the interface which leaves me with a setting somewhere in the software. (I could be wrong though) Sorry I am such a newbie with all of this and appreciate the input and thoughts trying to figure out what I am doing wrong.
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slartabartfast
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/06 12:02:49
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Have you tried recording from the MIDI out (not USB) connection of the keyboard? It sounds like you may not be sending straight MIDI via USB with your setup. You can be pretty sure that whatever setting your keyboard has, you are going to be getting MIDI out of the MIDI out. You can check whether a Sonar issue is involved by downloading the free MIDIOx application and seeing what exactly is being sent from the keyboard.
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/06 12:20:27
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Try mute all tracks in Sonar while are recording. It is possible if Sonar eccoes the notes back to the keyboard that plays them again with small delay.
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colodean
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/06 22:14:13
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So I have no idea why, but I think I may have figured it out. Under the midi devices, I have 3 for my keyboard. FA-06/08, FA-06/08 DAW CTRL and FA-06/08 CTRL. If I set my tracks input to the FA-06/08 CTRL everything seems to work. I still get a few odd note durations but its a hand full out of 350 ish measures instead of a hand full of correct notes. I have no idea why there is a difference or why there are 3 different inputs for the keyboard. I appreciate all the thoughts here and hopefully this solves future problems. (I did note this down and tape it to my monitor for future reference)
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slartabartfast
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Re: Recorded note duration = 1
2015/09/07 04:00:15
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colodean So I have no idea why, but I think I may have figured it out. Under the midi devices, I have 3 for my keyboard. FA-06/08, FA-06/08 DAW CTRL and FA-06/08 CTRL. If I set my tracks input to the FA-06/08 CTRL everything seems to work. I still get a few odd note durations but its a hand full out of 350 ish measures instead of a hand full of correct notes. I have no idea why there is a difference or why there are 3 different inputs for the keyboard. I appreciate all the thoughts here and hopefully this solves future problems. (I did note this down and tape it to my monitor for future reference)
http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/FA-06_08_App_Guide_e01_W.pdf
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