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2015/09/10 18:20:23 (permalink)

using "take lanes" with midi tracks?

I've always ignored the take lane feature of midi tracks, though I use the audio version.    Doing a bit of experimenting, and a couple of things pop out:   there does not seem to be any way to use a PRV window for only one take lane, or an Event List for only one take?  Am I missing something? 
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Re: using "take lanes" with midi tracks? 2015/09/10 23:57:29 (permalink)
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Am I missing something? 



I don't think so William... A take lane is based on a track, and any view of that track, be it PRV, event list, or whatever, see what is on the whole track.
 
At least that's the way I see it.

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Re: using "take lanes" with midi tracks? 2015/09/11 01:56:35 (permalink)
I believe there is an option (under View?)
To enable/disable viewing hiding muted clips... This may require muting the clips as opposed the the Lane...

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Re: using "take lanes" with midi tracks? 2015/09/12 12:59:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby annifarkle 2015/09/12 14:25:51
A little experimentation has convinced me that take lanes on midi may be filled with problems ... or maybe I still don't fully understand how they work.   I've got midi data INTO a take lane, but I can't get it out again, and somehow controllers were changed into "shapes"    ... when I bounce to clip, which is how I merge many clips together, ALL the data disappears entirely.   Since, different than audio, the midi tools seem fixed to work per-track rather than per-take (PRV, EL, ...) this is looking like a feature to avoid rather than embrace.
 
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Re: using "take lanes" with midi tracks? 2015/09/12 13:59:14 (permalink)
I'm not sure what's going on here... Though I haven't done a lot of midi work these last few months it is possible something has changed for the worse as does my memory...

It might be a nice feature (maybe a feature request would be nice here?) to enable individual lanes to be accessed in PRV...

I think I remember finding that to isolate which overlaying midi clips to see in PRV, required setting sonar to hide muted clips (midi track) then selecting the clips I wish included in the view by muting those I did not wish to see... And it worked fine.

Under the View command I believe are options for how midi data is displayed in as much as handles, separate controller panes and the like...?

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Re: using "take lanes" with midi tracks? 2015/09/13 11:44:24 (permalink)
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...hide muted clips...



That's the trick. Since comping works by muting clips, this will effectively show only the active parts of a MIDI comp in the PRV, but Hide Muted Clips isn't available in the Staff View.
 
That said, MIDI doesn't lend itself to being comped in a lot of cases because you can't make a cut in the middle of a note and have the two halves from different takes crossfade together as you can with audio. If you have Non-destructive MIDI Editing enabled, notes get truncated at split points, and if you don't, it's difficult to get the desired transition from one take to another with performances that have a lot of overlapping notes. Throw controllers into the mix (e.g. a piano part with sustains), and things can get really problematic. This is not a fault of comping workflow; this is the nature of editing discrete MIDI events.
 

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