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2015/09/30 03:32:33 (permalink)

Another Bus Question

And this one has been eatin' at me for a while.
 
What exactly are they for? I can understand Sending different instruments to different outs, but this where I get a little confused. It's my understanding a bus is used for mixing fx. Whats the difference in using track FX and Bus FX?
 
The different outs, as I said to understand, like drums on one and guitar on another. You want reverb on the drums, but not guitar for example.
 
Is that it or is there a bigger picture I'm missing?

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    Re: Another Bus Question 2015/09/30 04:12:01 (permalink)
    Busses were always traditionally used to group together similar instruments so that the overall level could be controlled from a single fader.
     
    The classic example is of course the drum kit where you have each kit piece on it's own track. You carefully tweak and adjust the relative levels of each drum and end up with a balanced kit.
     
    Then you add  in the guitars & vocals only to find that the whole of the drum kit is way too loud, so rather than adjust each drum individually you direct their output to a buss and control the whole of the drum kit from one fader.
     
    Buss functionality has grown a lot more sophisticated since then of course and you can apply Fx at buss level, use them for parallel processing, setting up stems etc.
     
    Their use is limited only by your imagination

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    Re: Another Bus Question 2015/09/30 04:22:12 (permalink)
    Yes a bigger picture. Buses are used for more then one thing. They can be used to group like tracks together  i.e. all vocal tracks  go to one buss. This allows one to process those tracks together. You can add reverb via a send or as an insert FX. This is a way to have control over a group of tracks as well as have them sorted together.
     
    Its not uncommon to have a drum buss a vocal buss a lead instrument buss and so on. You control the volume of those buses as well as add any processing you may wish. None of this is necessary it just makes it easier to mix with buses than without them. I have been using my master buss for a very long time as the buss to use in exporting a mix. All other buses and tracks will end up going to that buss.
     
    If you have any questions please ask them.  
     
     

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    Re: Another Bus Question 2015/09/30 04:49:42 (permalink)
    A couple of uses of buses (in addition to what was posted above) are:
     
    1) Resource consumption reduction - If I want to have reverb on all my drums, and I have all my drums routed to a Drums Bus, I can either put a reverb on the Drums Bus and have reverb added to all the drums with only a single instance of that reverb (instead of having 8-9 different instances of the reverb by having the same reverb with the same setting on the track of each drum kit piece).  I save a lot of memory and a lot of repetition, by just adding that single instance of the reverb effect onto a Drums Bus.
     
    2.  Parallel Compression - For this, I would have my drum tracks routed to a Drums Bus, then I would create a Para Comp bus into which I would insert a compressor and set it however I wanted, but with the Dry/Wet mix set to 100% wet.  The Para Comp bus would get fed its signal through the use of a Send from the Drums Bus.  I could add another bus, the Drums Master bus, and route the output from both the Drums Bus and the Para Comp bus to go to the new Drums Master bus, which I could then use to raise or lower the entire drums sound with that one fader.  Back to the Drums Bus and the Para Comp bus - I can blend the levels of those 2 buses to have my normal drums signal, and also have whatever volume I wish of 100% wet compressed drums sound, which sounds really really nice.  I control that balance between those 2 buses to get the combo of non-compressed and compressed drums, and through the Drums Master bus I can control the volume of that blended sound through the single fader of the Drums Master bus.
     
    The above can be explored through countless videos out there on YouTube, with better explanations, as you can do a lot with buses.
     
    I hope the above helps without making your head hurt.  Others in the forum may well have better explanations for you, and certainly seeing some of the freely available techniques will both show you and let you hear the results, which can only help.
     
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    Re: Another Bus Question 2015/09/30 04:49:52 (permalink)
    That certainly makes things a bit more clear. I'll give a few things try with it. I'm having leveling problems so I'll if rerouting and controlling volume through separate buses will fix the problem.
     
    Thanks for the info so far.

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    Re: Another Bus Question 2015/09/30 05:34:37 (permalink)
    I'm finding I am using Busses so much more now, and not just for grouping stuff... They give you endless possibilities to be so creative when using various effects... I do much more parallel processing now, not just compression.
     
    I've got one project that has more busses than tracks

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    Re: Another Bus Question 2015/09/30 06:27:18 (permalink)
    Well... The project I was having problems with cleaned up very nicely, Just put everything on a separate bus and tweaked volumes a bit and it's like a whole new project.
     
    Very cool!!
     
    Thanks again for the info and tips.

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