charlyg
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Recording live drums
There is no way to record live drums in my home studio without some expense. I'm new at this so, is this what I do? Find a drummer, rent a studio for an hour as he plays along to headphones, capture his performance to a wav, to bring into Sonar? I'm clueless so I'll be quiet and listen for a bit.
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rcklln
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/09/30 13:41:38
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I would recommend searching for and checking out some online drummers. If you can find someone with agreeable terms it might be the best bang for the buck.
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Sylvan
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/09/30 13:46:02
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I sent you a private message. I am down the road a bit from you in San Diego. I have session drummers (real live drummers) that I work with and I have full live acoustic drum recording capabilities all with using SONAR Platinum.
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charlyg
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/09/30 14:04:34
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I was thinking of e-drums but that limits who would be willing to play them.......
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/01 19:26:08
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There is always Addictive Drums and Session Drummer. They are both included with Sonar. Rocky
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charlyg
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/01 19:35:18
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I'm using EZ Drummer now, and I just got a drum map for AD2.
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/01 23:58:39
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Either learn to program drum parts ( best idea) or buy a basic digital kit and make friends with drummers. One hour in a studio would get you nowhere. On line collaboration is huge now.
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/02 00:42:04
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if you have a nice-sounding or even not bad room (a big if) you can record real drums. You don't need 642 mics. A simple stereo channel will work, or one, or three. Here at home I'll throw up 2 small diameter condensors as overheads and use either a pzm on the wood floor up close to the kick or a ribbon backed off proportionally like the OHs. A sub-$100 ribbon overhead can work, too, esp. for some of that old-timey vibe. Think of it as a chance to work on your recording chops - do some test recordings and figure out where in your room sounds best to put the drums and the mics. If nothing else, you'll learn a heck of a lot. In the Glyn Johns (who has a 3-mic technique named after him) interview I posted last week he used minimum mics but was very good at visualizing the cone of sound (not silence, Maxwell Smart) his mics heard, and worked them accordingly. @
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/02 01:40:16
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Sylvan I sent you a private message. I am down the road a bit from you in San Diego. I have session drummers (real live drummers) that I work with and I have full live acoustic drum recording capabilities all with using SONAR Platinum.
I suggest considering this offer ... you'll learn soooooo much from looking over someone's shoulder when micing drums and twisting the right knobs to make it sound good ... plus NOTHING beats a real live drummer ...
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Sylvan
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/02 02:12:35
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Thank you FreeFlyBertl. I truly believe in real live drums. I use Addictive Drums to write parts and develop songs, but the final tracks are performed by a real human on an acoustic kit (most of the time, depending on the client). I get a lot of pleasure from recording real drums and have come to see it as kind of a badge of honor in a way. I understand that not every can do that in every situation, but man, when you can do it, and get it right, there is indeed a little magic that is hard to describe, something that just feels right. I currently have 22 available mic inputs with enough mics, cables, and stands to use them all. I am using an RME FireFace UFX as my main interface with various other preamps, all running into SONAR Platinum. For the moment I am tracking live drums in a performance theatre, all wood floors, over 14' ceiling, huge open space. This gives my the opportunity to get some legit use of stereo room mics and I love it.
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/02 08:50:53
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Sylvan I truly believe in real live drums. I use Addictive Drums to write parts and develop songs, but the final tracks are performed by a real human on an acoustic kit (most of the time, depending on the client). I get a lot of pleasure from recording real drums and have come to see it as kind of a badge of honor in a way. I understand that not every can do that in every situation, but man, when you can do it, and get it right, there is indeed a little magic that is hard to describe, something that just feels right.
Yeah, Charles, I'm totally on the same page. I do like what AD2 and other VSTs can do for song writing ... and also for making a low budget production sound better ... but nothing beats the real kit + real drummer combination - even a real drummer on an e-kit with a decent library is nowhere near the same ... so in those projects where I'm not the recording tech, but actively writing and playing, I keep pushing my mates to follow the really "old fashioned" approach of laying down most of the tracks live ...
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/02 09:23:50
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Sylvan I use Addictive Drums to write parts and develop songs, but the final tracks are performed by a real human on an acoustic kit
FreeFlyBertl but nothing beats the real kit + real drummer combination
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/03 16:00:14
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Definitely look in to Sylvan's offer. Sounds like he even has a very good room to work in. And interacting with other studio guys can be very valuable as well. You can spend a lot of time and treasure chasing great drum sounds. I know, I did. I have plenty of inputs, good preamps, and some really decent mics, but the sounds are still elusive. And having a seasoned drummer that has patience with the recording process is important. EZ drummer, AD and all are great, and many of the sounds are superb. But learning to program them in a way that doesn't sound mechanical and disjointed from the other instruments is challenging and a skill in its own right.
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charlyg
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/03 22:30:54
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I know, but it's a little too far for two guys who aren't working.
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/12 09:27:19
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I do virtual real drum tracks all the time. There is a cost associated but its not that much. Just need rough mix and a separate click or exact metronome tempo that will line up when the track is imported on a measure boundry. I provide you a slew of track to mix as you please or I can mix them down to stereo. I play all styles, simple to complex. PM me if interested.
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/12 09:49:36
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Check this guy out - a friend of mine based in South Africa: You'll be shocked who he has recorded drums for in his home studio.. https://nl.linkedin.com/pub/vinnie-henrico/25/757/696 You may find the Dollar/Rand exchange works in your favour too.
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charlyg
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Re: Recording live drums
2015/10/18 18:50:55
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