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2015/09/23 15:37:44 (permalink)

Interface opinions please.

I'm looking to replace my Presonus Firebox. It's old, noisy and limited. What I'm looking for is something with plenty of I/O's, rack mounted and within the $400 to $600 +/- range.
 
So far I'm looking at the Behringer FCA1616 and Focusrite Pro 40. Looking at reviews the 1616 is pretty good, but I am concerned about the overall quality. They've always seemed more of a budget minded company as opposed to higher end pro gear. Thoughts on that?
 
The Pro 40 also gets great reviews, but is said to have compatibility issues with some firewire cards and/or chipsets.
 
Any other suggestions besides Presonus? I don't think I want to go down that road again.
 
 

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/23 16:00:01 (permalink)
Nothing wrong with Presonus - almost all the interfaces (esp. on the lower end) sound about the same.  There is only so much you can do component-wise with a preamp that costs $10-15.  And they usually use the same ADDAs.  Basically, the same price range of interfaces will sound about the same. 
 
I'm using the Tascam UH-7000.  Stellar performance sound wise w/ a few flaws - higher latency over USB (11 ms roundtrip), no inserts etc.  But the preamps and conversion are good enough Tascam put the retail price at $700, just like some of the other "premium" units that have come out the last few years - audient, crimson, etc.  But it had none of the extra features so they go for $400 now.  I've got mine spdif'ed into my TC Konnekt (no sonic slouch itself) as the main recording channel, getting around the higher latency.
 
  Tascam is now, of course, in the Gibson family, so you should look at their interfaces.  They have new models out, not quite as good as the 7000, but with multiple ins/outs.  And brand new is their 20X20 w/ ADAT and Spdif as well as 8  preamps with AD but 8 outputs.  Craig Anderton loves the sound and I should be getting the 20X20 in soon for review.  It is not out but lists for $500 I believe.  It could be a winner.
 
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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/23 17:16:46 (permalink)
I'm using the sister to the FCA1616 (FCA610) and it works well for me. I just got it though so I can't attest to the long term reliability.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 00:02:54 (permalink)
It's going to be a few weeks before I can actually buy anything, so I'd be interested in knowing how it's working out for you then.
 
I'm certainly not opposed to spending less money if I can, But I want to make sure I'm not going to end up with the same issue I have now by doing so, which is track bleeding and excessive noise.
 
I've asked around and got very mixed opinions on Behringer stuff.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 03:33:34 (permalink)
Can't see signatures from the cell, but the only issue I know of with Saffires is Win10 drivers on the VIA chipset. They are very responsive to emails, so if you are unsure shoot them an email with your system specs and what you have questions with. I have always heard back from them in short order and they are very upfront about things.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 09:54:08 (permalink)
I would certainly aviod "B" if possible. And right now I really like both Tascam and Fcusrite  as companies who seem to be building solid interfaces in the lower price points. Drivers are what count and I just can't beleieve that B would spend the money on that. 
 

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 17:22:48 (permalink)
I think I'm leaning toward the Focusrite. I was looking at the Tascam, but that one was to not work with Win 7 64.
 
I do like Tascam. I've used their Portastudios for years before the PC DAW's came to town.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 18:29:43 (permalink)
Out of what you've mentioned, I'd go for the Focusrite.

Just a thought, but I'd also go for a USB interface rather than firewire. There are all kinds of potential issues with firewire, audio interfaces and Windows and it's a protocol Microsoft have always been a bit indifferent about. Every new version of Windows, and sometimes just Windows updates, seem to bring along some problem with audio over firewire.

It's also a technology that's likely to disappear before too long, because although firewire 400 has a quite adequate bandwidth for DAW usage (unless you want a seriously large number of ins and outs) USB and Thunderbolt have higher bandwidth which lots of things do benefit from. When manufacturers start considering what to miss out in the interests of saving money, or space for the sockets, it's firewire that gets left out first.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 19:46:26 (permalink)
Focusrite or RME.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 22:17:44 (permalink)
I was thinking of something with both firewire and USB. My laptop only has USB. Not that I use it for recording, but would be nice to be able to should something happen that I need it.
 
The latency is also something I've been curious about with USB vs firewire. The pros and cons there.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/09/24 23:25:32 (permalink)
Unless someone here has something really negative to say or I find something I don't like about it within the next 4 weeks or so, or if something better pops up in that time, I do believe I've decided on the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/04 21:20:13 (permalink)
Please post your thoughts about the 18i20, I'm looking at buying one to upgrade my 8i6. I've had no problems with Focusrite on Sonar and would prefer to stick with them.
 
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Unless someone here has something really negative to say or I find something I don't like about it within the next 4 weeks or so, or if something better pops up in that time, I do believe I've decided on the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20.



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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/07 06:22:05 (permalink)
I will do that. It's going to be a little longer than I expected though.
 
All of the reviews I read and videos on youtube seem to make it out to be great. Only negative thing said is that the mixer can be a pain to get setup with the DAW, but we'll see.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/07 06:57:17 (permalink)
+1 for Focusrite, great drivers, rock solid and supurb products.

Their LS 56 is great, and no, F/W is not going anywhere soon. And even if it did, with an adapter Thunderbolt/Firewire you're up and running for more than the lifespan of consumer products as Focusrite products will work with one.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/07 09:52:32 (permalink)
Love my Tascam US-16x08.  With 64 sample buffer, RTL = 9ms @44.1K, slightly less @48K.  I like the variety/flexibility of input types.
 
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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/08 21:31:51 (permalink)
I really Like my Focusrite 18i20.  It has been pretty solid.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/08 21:57:16 (permalink)
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I really Like my Focusrite 18i20.  It has been pretty solid.




How do you like that Behringer ADA8200? Worth the money? Does it play nice with the 18i20?
 
I've only had 2 Behringer products, a bass amp and a patch bay. The amp is horrible, the patch bay seems pretty solid. So it seems hit and miss with them.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/09 00:06:05 (permalink)
Motu Ultralite AVB.
 
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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/09 06:24:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Bflat5 2015/10/10 07:14:41
The ADA8200 works pretty well.  I had a brief glitch with to change to Windows 10 that I had to contact Focusrite about.  ADAT streaming caused it to crash.  They sent me a link to beta software and drivers and that fixed it.  I also have a Behringer line mixer and a set of cheap monitors I bought years ago. I've been lucky I guess, I haven't had problems with any of it.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/10/10 17:18:43 (permalink)
Another suggestion is M-Audio M-Track Eight - 8 input interface (although there's no midi), costs around $400. I've had it for a year and it's been working perfectly.
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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/11/02 01:15:33 (permalink)
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Please post your thoughts about the 18i20, I'm looking at buying one to upgrade my 8i6. I've had no problems with Focusrite on Sonar and would prefer to stick with them.
 



If you're still interested in the 18i20 go for it. I've had mine for about a week now believe I made the right decision with it.

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Re: Interface opinions please. 2015/11/02 09:50:12 (permalink)
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I'm looking to replace my Presonus Firebox. It's old, noisy and limited. What I'm looking for is something with plenty of I/O's, rack mounted and within the $400 to $600 +/- range.
 
So far I'm looking at the Behringer FCA1616 and Focusrite Pro 40. Looking at reviews the 1616 is pretty good, but I am concerned about the overall quality. They've always seemed more of a budget minded company as opposed to higher end pro gear. Thoughts on that?
 
The Pro 40 also gets great reviews, but is said to have compatibility issues with some firewire cards and/or chipsets.
 
Any other suggestions besides Presonus? I don't think I want to go down that road again.



You won't find an audio interface that's "higher-end" with 8-channels of analog I/O for $400-$600.
There are many audio interfaces at that price point that are "pretty decent".
  • Average noise-floor typically between -103dB and -107dB
  • Decent mic preamps
  • Typically don't offer the lowest possible round-trip latency (important if you plan to play/monitor in realtime thru software based EFX/processing.
 
At just a tad above the stated budget, the MOTU Ultralite AVB ($650) would improve upon a couple of those items.
It's the best you're going to do at ~$650.
  • Noise-floor of -112dB
  • 4.9ms total round-trip latency at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k
 
"Higher-end" audio interfaces have noise-floor of -117dB or lower.  
Fireface UFX, MOTU AVB series (full rack units), etc.
These audio interfaces are "world-class"... and they have the price to match.
 
FWIW, The new Presonus Studio 192 is worth checking out.  
Good specs for the cost...
 
 

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