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[SOLVED] gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
I've got the tone in its own track, but I can't find/setup a plugin that will open for a moment when the kick kicks, and then close again when the kick ain't kickin'. A sidechain-able gate? Like what? Or do I already have what I need, but am too dumb to figure it out on my own. Likely the latter. 55 Hz is root tone of key of A. PS: I did a search for 'gate' on this forum but came up empty.
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/09 15:03:45
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sonoitus (spelling?) Gate should work and is included in Sonar. Really any gate with a side chain should work.
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/09 15:36:22
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Sonitus (sp) is the first thing I worked with, to no avail. There is no TRUE sidechain option. By "true" I mean opening the sine wave tone on Track 33 using the Kick drum audio on track 8. The Help says the following but what I think this means is that they are suggesting using EQ on the track to make it open and close properly. That is not side-chaining, methinks. Quote from Help: Because of limitations in both the DirectX and VST plug-in architectures, it is not possible to create audio or control signal busses between plug-ins in any standard way. This limitation makes it difficult to implement a standard gate sidechain input that can accept an "external" trigger signal. It is possible to create a "hack" that allows signals to flow between our own plug-ins, but we feel that it just is not the proper way to do things. The sidechain functionality in the fx:gate plug-in allows you to use high- and lowpass filters on the incoming audio to create a "sidechain trigger signal".
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/09 15:50:55
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The only Side chainable gate I've got is the PC4 Exp/Gate which I think is a paid purchase.
According to the version comparison chart, there is a gate known as the Gate Expander GX622.
This appears to be part of the Nomad Factory suite but I don't have it, at least not on my laptop installation, so I can't say whether it's S/C or not
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/09 15:52:44
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☄ Helpfulby TheMaartian 2015/10/10 09:29:07
The Sonitus Gate does have a sidechain and it works in SONAR Platinum. If I wanted to setup a tone generator to be triggered by a kick drum.
Add the Gate in the FX bin after the tone generator (in my case MOscillator) on an audio track
Add a send to the Gate from the Kick track
Adjust the Gate parameters to suit starting with the threshold to open the gate.
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GregGraves
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/09 17:14:40
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/10 03:05:56
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/10 08:41:40
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make the tone into a sample and trim it, copy the kick track and use drum replacer or drumagog to sample it. mix it in with the kick track. just a thought
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/10 09:25:34
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Or extract the MIDI and use it to drive a synth.
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/10 09:31:37
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Isn't this application exactly what DR was designed for? If you create a sample from your tone shaped the way you want it, DR could trigger that sample for you.
You can also use DR to extract the MIDI for use as scook suggests.
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/10 09:40:54
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My "problem" stemmed from the lack of a key being presented on the Sonitus gate window ("key" in this context refers to the track that is driving the side-chaining). I went and looked at Fabfilter G documentation, and they show how 3 different DAWs show the key, and each showed the key in a different way. What tripped me up is that Sonar doesn't show any key at all. You just have to know that in Sonar you simply need to create a send to whatever gate you are using that does sidechaining, and it magically works. I think the beauty in using a sine wave to fatten the kick a bit, is that you can use a sine wave in the musical key you are working in (ruh ro rorge, my table formatting blew up !!) : Key Hz Hz2 C1 32.70 65.40 C#1/Db1 34.65 69.30 D1 36.71 73.42 D#1/Eb1 38.89 77.78 E1 41.20 82.40 F1 43.65 87.30 F#1/Gb1 46.25 92.50 G1 49.00 98.00 G#1/Ab1 51.91 103.82 A1 55.00 110.00 A#1/Bb1 58.27 116.54 B1 61.74 123.48
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/10 10:17:40
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The free MOscillator has a built-in keyboard so there is no need to know note frequencies and it accepts MIDI input making it easy to change the note on the fly.
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GregGraves
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Re: gating a 55Hz tone to fatten the kick drum
2015/10/10 10:47:43
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ooooo ..... I missed the word "free"
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