Apologies to P. F. Sloan

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2015/10/10 02:32:07 (permalink)

Apologies to P. F. Sloan

The Bert Guy Five re-imagine Secret Agent Man:
 
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    gruverider
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/10 16:58:03 (permalink)
    Good sounding nylon guitar. And I like the flute too.
     
    much enjoyed!
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/13 03:48:36 (permalink)
     
    Hi Bert,
     
    I wasn't sure what to expect, but then the Bond theme kicked in... Made me smile that did haha...
     
    Not sure if there were a few "timing issues" in one or two places... 
     
    Mix sounded good to me
     
     

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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/13 17:09:25 (permalink)
    I love this song. In fact, our band performs this song quite often, and it's in our catalog because I threw a hissy fit to get it in, and now it's a crowd favorite. It's nice to be right once in a while. :)
     
    Anyway, I like the laid-back style of the arrangement and the casual vocals, it's nice to hear someone revisit an old classic with a new approach. And a flute solo! Yeah, man, I wanted to snap my fingers when it was over. :)  The mix itself sounds very clean with a really nice separation of instruments that blend nicely together, so you don't have too many issues there. The vocal sounds pretty in-your-face to my ear, but not so much that I don't have some doubts about recommending you dial them back. I think a just a bit of reverb on the vocal is worth trying given the low register and soft style you're featuring, it might sound pretty cool. Please note that I'm very likely full of beans here.
     
    I will agree with the previous post that there are a number of timing issues with various performances in the song that tend to damage the vibe you're going for here and which dampen the flow of the song in places. I can totally empathize with struggles like that because it's something I've had challenges with too and metronome work is a big part of my practice routine. In any case, judicious dubbing of timing mistakes would help quite a lot.
     
    This is an impressive mix, though with a great sound.
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/19 01:27:56 (permalink)
    Hey Guys,
    I am a little slow getting back to you.
     
    Gruverider: thanks for listening and the kind words.
     
    Synkotron : thanks for the kind words @ the mix- that's not usually  my forte. And yes, there are timing issues for sure, esp in the 2nd verse. The biggest culprit is Berto Tipo Cuatro on nylon string guitar- he's all over the place. I'm going to have to re-record a lot of his part.
     
    Cheers and thanks again,
     
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/19 02:02:46 (permalink)
    Hey, Bert,
     
    Very cool and interesting take on an oldie but goodie!  I remember watching the original TV show when I was a kid.
     
    Really great job on all the performances, it's got a fresh, smooth vibe and a nice clean sounding mix.
     
    Nice vocals, I really love the piano breaks and the guitar and flute are also well done.
     
    Good stuff, Bert, it's always fun to hear a stylized version of a classic!
     
    Have a great night!
    Bob
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/19 04:40:19 (permalink)
    Bert Guy
    Synkotron : thanks for the kind words @ the mix- that's not usually  my forte. And yes, there are timing issues for sure, esp in the 2nd verse. The biggest culprit is Berto Tipo Cuatro on nylon string guitar- he's all over the place. I'm going to have to re-record a lot of his part.

     
    Ah... Right... I wasn't too sure.
     
    Give me a shout if you redo this
     
    cheers
     
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/21 01:22:27 (permalink)
    kevinwal
    I love this song. In fact, our band performs this song quite often, and it's in our catalog because I threw a hissy fit to get it in, and now it's a crowd favorite. It's nice to be right once in a while. :)
     
    Anyway, I like the laid-back style of the arrangement and the casual vocals, it's nice to hear someone revisit an old classic with a new approach. And a flute solo! Yeah, man, I wanted to snap my fingers when it was over. :)  The mix itself sounds very clean with a really nice separation of instruments that blend nicely together, so you don't have too many issues there. The vocal sounds pretty in-your-face to my ear, but not so much that I don't have some doubts about recommending you dial them back. I think a just a bit of reverb on the vocal is worth trying given the low register and soft style you're featuring, it might sound pretty cool. Please note that I'm very likely full of beans here.
     I will agree with the previous post that there are a number of timing issues with various performances in the song that tend to damage the vibe you're going for here and which dampen the flow of the song in places. I can totally empathize with struggles like that because it's something I've had challenges with too and metronome work is a big part of my practice routine. In any case, judicious dubbing of timing mistakes would help quite a lot.
     
    This is an impressive mix, though with a great sound.
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Kevin,
    Thank you for the kind words, esp @ the mix. Yes, there are some timing issues, and I will clean them up as best I can.  I decided to run the whole mix through a 'small room' reverb hoping that would give it a natural feel.
     
    And yeah, I've loved this song since I first heard it as an intro to the 1964 TV show Secret Agent. I think P F Sloan's droning modal guitar riff really caught my ear. I saw Johnny Rivers a few years back at Boulder Station in Vegas. The SAM riff was the intro as JR came on stage and he saved an extended playing of the song for the climax of the show. BTW, that was an outstanding show. 

    Cheers,
     
    Bert
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/22 00:00:30 (permalink)
    I love JR but I've never seen him live. My other favorite by him is Memphis. I think if you dialed back the vocals just a wee bit and softened it with delay or reverb you might like what you hear. Then again, maybe not.
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/31 01:44:15 (permalink)
    Bob,
    Thanks for the kind words. Yeah, I wanted to do something completely different with SAM than the original version. I went for a jazz feel, which is not much of a stretch as the song was modal to start with.  
     
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/31 05:19:47 (permalink)
     Cool tune, I like the solo section, but I think instruments seem more up front than vocals to me. Cool timbres used for the instruments but I think I'd compress or maybe even dirty up or lo fi some of the instrument tracks. Also I think the timing may be more syncopated if you go with a looser less static drum track. I'm hearing something more Spanish than Rock for the drums, possibly just sparse bongos or something. Just picking nits though, I enjoyed as is.

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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/10/31 13:44:48 (permalink)
    Generally OK, I do not comment on vocals for reasons previously explained, thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/11/07 01:58:36 (permalink)
    ohgrant
     Cool tune, I like the solo section, but I think instruments seem more up front than vocals to me. Cool timbres used for the instruments but I think I'd compress or maybe even dirty up or lo fi some of the instrument tracks. Also I think the timing may be more syncopated if you go with a looser less static drum track. I'm hearing something more Spanish than Rock for the drums, possibly just sparse bongos or something. Just picking nits though, I enjoyed as is.


    Grant,
    I agree. I think I can hear a Santana like version of this song. But I would need someone who can do a combo of Carlos Santana and Johnny Rivers!
     
    And yeah, the flute is a little too clean. I'll have to think about how to make it more realistic/human/dirty.
     
    Thanks for listening.
    Cheers,
    Bert

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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/11/07 14:33:14 (permalink)
    Ha!  I think the style idea you went for is a great idea, not sure you completely pulled it off, but nice effort.  Instruments not in sync with drums I think, or drum style too mechanical, something.  2 out of 5 stars overall.  5 stars creativity.
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    Re: Apologies to P. F. Sloan 2015/11/07 17:04:16 (permalink)
    To address the timing issues, I'd first of all put up just the piano and the drums. You'll get a big payoff connecting those piano hits right to the drums, as the drums sound pretty perfect in their timing.
     
    And it never sounded like "Asian" man - nice job!
     
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