RESQ
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Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
Hey all!! I´ve been trying to find a way to do this quickly in SONAR but so far no luck. I have a beat of 8 bars and I would like to slice it up in even sub-divisions of 1/8ths so I can isolate all the sounds in the track. Anybody any idea how to do this quickly? I´ve tried with Audiosnap but the transients, although close to the project 1/8th subdivision, are always a bit off, so if I then use the SPLIT BEATS INTO CLIPS option, the beat will be splitted up in 1/8ths but on the transient markers, which normally don´t line up exactly with the project grid so I would have to move the transient markers around manually to line them up perfectly. There must be another way to do this quickly......right....? Thanks!!
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/12 15:11:39
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Have you tried the Loop Construction view? I have not used that often, but it allows for slicing up a clip.
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/12 15:15:08
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/12 15:39:43
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The absolute easiest way is to use Propellerhead Software's ReCycle, which can cut natively at 1/16th note intervals, and then you can export each slice for re-importing into SONAR. You can fool Recycle into thinking the tempo is such that you can slice at 1/8th note intervals. But, although SONAR doesn't have an automated way to do this there's a really sneaky method that's pretty fast if you're using loops, or if you're not, using clips that fit 2 - 4 - 8 - 16 bars. It actually might be faster than doing it in ReCycle, and you have your choice of rhythmic values. But first, to make this as fast as possible, go Preferences > Customization > Editing. Under Clips, for "Selection After Single Split," choose "Both Portions." This really speeds things up because when you split the clip in step 5 below, you won't have to re-select the clip to do the next split. You'll see what I mean when you do this. 1. Set the tempo to the clip's native tempo if it's not a Groove Clip. 2. Open the loop in the loop construction window and if necessary, check "Loop On/Off" to turn on Looping. 3. Set the Slice Value drop-down menu to 1/8 Note and Threshold all the way left to 0%. There is now a slice on exactly every 1/8th note. 4. In the Track view, select the clip, place the Now time at the beginning of the clip, then hit Tab to step through the slices. Each time you hit a slice, type "s" to split the clip. Alt+Tab steps backwards through the slices. This may sound complicated in theory; in practice, once you've added the transient markers in the loop construction window, the actual tab/split process for a clip takes only a few seconds and it's precise. There are variations on this theme and it sounds like I should do a "long form" version for "Friday's Tip of the Week," but this should hold you over until then.
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/13 03:48:24
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Craig, but then you need to bounce each slice to a new clip if you want to drag it to the browser, or to a Battery cell, to create a new sample, don't you? Which leads me to a question: is there any way of selecting a number of clips and bouncing them individually in a single go without gluing them together again?
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/14 11:30:26
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JoseC. Craig, but then you need to bounce each slice to a new clip if you want to drag it to the browser, or to a Battery cell, to create a new sample, don't you? No, you don't. If you want to use them outside the project, export using the Multiple Clip Export feature introduced in Ipswich (but also see second answer below). I don't have Battery on my laptop here at Gibson, but you can drag clips directly from SONAR to a pad in Session Drummer's Mixer page without needing to bounce first...wouldn't be surprised if you can do the same thing in Battery. Which leads me to a question: is there any way of selecting a number of clips and bouncing them individually in a single go without gluing them together again?
Yes. Exporting the clips to a folder in the browser removes the Groove Clip metadata so they become standard WAV files. Then you can drag them back into your project as individual clips. I created a folder called "Scratchpad" on the desktop, made it a custom location in the Browser, export to that, then bring back in to the project. Sounds more complicated than it is.
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RESQ
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/14 12:43:57
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Craig, that´s great! Did as you said and that works perfectly Thanks for the help!
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/14 15:14:06
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Glad to help! And FWIW the Clip Export feature was a GREAT addition to Ipswich. A little under the radar, perhaps, but extremely useful if you do beats.
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/14 15:34:31
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The alternative would be to just bite the bullet and purchase Geist with its awesome beat slicing capabilities....
At least keep an eye out for it on sale.
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/14 20:24:02
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Although I use Geist for sequencing mostly nowadays, I did an import and tried out Sonar's inline piano roll. Haven't done that for a while. Was impressed. Still Geist is a killer app, version 2 coming out next year probably, Sonar should take a load of lessons from this and Melodyne.
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/14 22:54:59
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RESQ I´ve been trying to find a way to do this quickly in SONAR but so far no luck.
He wanted to know how to do it in SONAR, so I obliged him. Not everyone wants to pay an additional $249 for Geist on top of what they paid for SONAR, and it would be difficult to include the value of a $249 program in a $199 program like SONAR Professional or even a $499 program like SONAR Platinum. I may be in a minority, but I would rather see Cakewalk concentrate on developing elements that other programs, particularly plug-ins, don't have. No matter how cool Geist is, and I of all people know just how cool it is, it appeals to a very small slice (geddit?) of people who use DAWs. The beauty of plug-ins is they can provide specialized, superbly implemented functionality; the downside is that level of performance, especially when you can't sell big numbers, doesn't come cheap. I think it makes total sense that someone with a DAW selectively choose plug-ins that "accessorize" it to provide a particular function rather than try to include everything possible within a single platform. So yes, I highly recommend Geist if you need a hardcore drum machine/sampler/slicer/dicer/remixer and have a physical controller that can take advantage of it to the fullest. But if you just want to do basic, fast slicing and dicing, SONAR does a fine job as is. I'll cover at least part of this topic in "Friday's Tip of the Week," so stay tuned.
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/14 23:41:10
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I agree... but my copy of Geist cost about $70 from memory on a sale..
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/15 03:30:52
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I have not seen Geist on sale for some time, but have not tracked it. It *used* to go on sale so 99USD every few months or so. Craig's point is valid in that mimicking it would "reinvent the wheel" as it were, but some of the functionality exists in SONAR now that could be embellished to be more user friendly.
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Re: Slicing up a beat in even sub-divisions with SONAR?
2015/10/15 15:58:50
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JoseC. Craig, but then you need to bounce each slice to a new clip if you want to drag it to the browser, or to a Battery cell, to create a new sample, don't you? No, you don't. If you want to use them outside the project, export using the Multiple Clip Export feature introduced in Ipswich (but also see second answer below). I don't have Battery on my laptop here at Gibson, but you can drag clips directly from SONAR to a pad in Session Drummer's Mixer page without needing to bounce first...wouldn't be surprised if you can do the same thing in Battery.
Which leads me to a question: is there any way of selecting a number of clips and bouncing them individually in a single go without gluing them together again?
Yes. Exporting the clips to a folder in the browser removes the Groove Clip metadata so they become standard WAV files. Then you can drag them back into your project as individual clips. I created a folder called "Scratchpad" on the desktop, made it a custom location in the Browser, export to that, then bring back in to the project. Sounds more complicated than it is.
Thanks, Craig, I hadn't noticed the Multiple Clip Export, since I am still using X3 :( Not for too long anyway, but I am moving shortly, and I am delaying the upgrade until I get a new desktop for the new studio in a couple of months. Anyway, even in X3 you can drag wave files directly from the Track View to a Battery cell, but if you drag one of the slices of a sliced clip from there what you get is the whole clip again, unless you bounce it first to make the edits permanent. I was thinking more about bouncing all in place at the same time, to drag them them to the sampler from TV but your workflow makes even more sense to me, since I use Sonar's browser instead Battery's own browser for samples, anyway.
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