BobF
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Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
Is there enough content/samples/instruments in these to use without turning around and buying more?
With discount season approaching, I'm Konsidering Komplete, probably not Ultimate unless the case is compelling enough.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 11:00:26
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There is a TON in both...
Ultimate of course gives you WAY MORE, and the Softube made Effects, which are nice...
But K10 is sufficient to do quite a bit...
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 11:01:52
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IMO, there's sooooo much stuff in Komplete 9, it's enough to keep me busy for good decade. Reaktor alone will be a lifelong project. Of course, Kontakt is the one I use regularly as I have a lot of 3rd party libraries, but the amount of synths included are really, really good quality........finding time to explore them all might be the main issue. Bob, I think you'll find enough to keep you busy/interested/inspired with Komplete for quite some time......IMO, a worthy investment (on a good sale price of course). Having said that, I still want to get Komplete Ultimate. 
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 11:12:38
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Echoing what has already been said. I have Ultimate 9 and have not nearly explored everything offered. I cannot imagine a situation that could not be handled by ultimate. Dan
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 11:21:16
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2015/10/13 12:27:19
I'm going to be brutally honest.
I originally bought Komplete 8 then I upgraded to Komplete 9 ultimate and new Komplete 10 Ultimate. I have invested.
of all the toys and samples and plugins in all of Komplete 10 Kontakt is the only one I use on a regular basis. I mostly use Kontakt with 3rd party non Native Instruments Kontakt libraries.
The drums and basses are good decent samples and you can get by with nothing else for a long time with them. Battery, Damage, all the 50s & 60s& etc drums, Cuba etc there are a ton of drums in Komplete.
I use Ez drummer/SD2 from Toontracks and have most recently used mostly FXExpanssion Geist and BFD 3. I don't hardly use any of the Komplete drum stuff anymore, or at all.
Orcestral Strings in base Kontakt are okay and decent, there are a few string packs for Kontakt depending on if you get Komplete basic or Ultimate. Frankly I use 3rd party orchestral libraries for Kontakt like Orchestral Essentials I, Heavyocity libraries and recently mostly being using Vienna Instruments libraries that does not use Kontakt at all.
Effects in Komplete are good and if you get Ultimate the ones in Ultimate are much better and quite usable. I use 3rd party VSTs.
Komplete or Komplete Ultimate are really great starting out packages - or if you need Kontakt and or 2-3 other products then it's really worth it as you get a ton of extra fun stuff for the price you would be paying for 1-2 products are full price.
Honestly in a year you probably will not be playing with 75% of the products in Komplete or Ultimate.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 12:51:24
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Another "+1" for Komplete. I'm on regular K9, and while I've used a good portion of what it includes I certainly haven't touched everything. There's just so much there... Kontakt and Reaktor are my primary K9 tools, but I've used others often enough to make the package worthwhile.
I initially cross-graded to Kontakt 5 in order to use some of the reasonably priced libraries out there, of which there are many. Sure, that's above and beyond Komplete itself, but I have yet to spend more than $99 at one time (and I only did that once). But once I upgraded from Kontakt to Komplete 9 I realized there was so much useful content that I wasn't fully aware of and wouldn't have had otherwise. My ideal goal is K11U, but $$ means everything. Even if that doesn't work out I'd likely still go with regular K11 for the updates, particularly Reaktor 6.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 14:49:18
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I started out on Komplete9 (paid $500 for it  ). But that was still cheaper than buying them separate. I wanted Kontakt (for the 3rd party libraries mainly) and I wanted Battery 4... What I found is I got SOOO much more!  Although Komplete is NOT the only stuff I use, like MachineClaw said it's a great starting point. I've since upgraded to K10. Was considering K10 ultimate, but realized that I don't even use the stuff I got!  So now, I'm taking a step back and getting into Reaktor and some of the other offerings... My goal is to learn (and use) some of them musically. Believe me, you're gonna spend more on other stuff, but overall Komplete/Komplete Ultimate are a good initial investment. And if you can help it, get it on sale.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 17:14:08
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To a "Newbie" yes. To a Pro, no such word as ENOUGH! You won't be searching for a while but with more speed, memory and storage, new instruments and plugins will keep coming and we, my friend, will keep buying!
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 18:14:41
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Since I got my Komplete 10 (regular version) I have been selling off a lot of stuff and discarded other stuff. But I have held on to a lot of other plugins as well that I can not ro will not be without. Anyway, if you want the most bang for your $$ then Komplete is really, really good. It has pretty much everything you need next to whatever comes with your DAW of choice, but don't expect to never spend money on software again 
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 21:11:04
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Thanks for the info folks. I'll watch for a good deal on Komplete. I can always upgrade to KU later.
The only down side for me is that I already have GR5 ... it feels like a double purchase. I did get a good deal upgrading from a throw-in version of GR4 though ($50).
I have Kontakt and Reaktor versions than came with gear so I'm really intrigued by them. Reaktor has the potential to be a months long distraction. :)
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 21:51:57
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They should have a sale at half price starting a few days before Thanksgiving. Rember you can sell any products you have doubles with. You won't regret getting either one. I bought Komplete 7 from a guy for cheap a few years ago. Upgraded to K9 for $74.50 at Thanksgiving and upped again to K9 U for $250. I sold my doubles for just under $200.00. No brainer of the first order.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 22:07:05
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The big thing to remember is try to avoid upgrading every single year unless you are loaded. It's tempting but there is just too much to learn and play here. I have K9U and I nearly got K10U. So glad I didn't in the sale because they released Reaktor 6 after that and I would have been pissed. I hope I can hold back on K11U, that would be the 'sensible' option.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 22:14:04
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/10/14 07:26:16
I bought Komplete 9 Ultimate, and while I have used it quite a bit, I'd say its major shortcoming is in its orchestral instruments. The orchestral libraries it does have (Action Strings, etc), are great sounding and very useful, but they are very specialized and, in my opinion, you won't be able to make a full, lush orchestral track with the tools contained in Komplete. So, as long as you're not expecting to never have to buy another strings, brass, woodwind, and percussion library again, then you should be able to make an educated decision about whether the expense of Komplete is worth it to you.
However, for non-orchestral instruments, Komplete has more than you'll have time to explore in a year. :D
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 22:58:38
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Got K10 but sold it as I could crossgrade to K10U from my Kontrol S keyboard for $350. Best deal ever. These half price upgrades are held once or twice a year. And don't forget that KU comes with its own 3.0 hard drive. Edith says: start with K10 or get a Kontrol keyboard as it comes with several K10 instruments. Then upgrade or crossgrade to K10 or K10U when you feel like it.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 23:15:54
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its almost a year.
My exploring Komplete is still inKomplete ... and its not the Ultimate
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/13 23:40:47
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There is a ton of great stuff in there but it's worth going in with the knowledge that you won't use loads of it. I've complained about this in another thread but I think a lot of the recent new synth and effect additions to Komplete are just not that useful musically and appear to be convoluted science projects more than anything. In addition to this, you need a degree in physics to understand the manuals and most of the presets lean toward the wacky/sci-fi area. I really wish they'd concentrate on usability and musically rather than showing off how many cross-feedback paths they can cram into their amplitude-modulated grain delay clouds 
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 04:07:47
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I think it depends more on how hard do you have to work for your money and what you get out of this "hobby". You can easily find yourself flooded with too many new toys to do any of them justice in terms of appreciation and use- too many can also seriously regress your creative output as well.
But at the same time if this is what gives you joy in life then money should mean nothing and enjoyment of life everything.
Two sides of the same coin. Flip toss- its your call.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 07:19:58
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skitch_84
I bought Komplete 9 Ultimate, and while I have used it quite a bit, I'd say its major shortcoming is in its orchestral instruments. The orchestral libraries it does have (Action Strings, etc), are great sounding and very useful, but they are very specialized and, in my opinion, you won't be able to make a full, lush orchestral track with the tools contained in Komplete. So, as long as you're not expecting to never have to buy another strings, brass, woodwind, and percussion library again, then you should be able to make an educated decision about whether the expense of Komplete is worth it to you.
However, for non-orchestral instruments, Komplete has more than you'll have time to explore in a year. :D
Good to know about the orchestral libs. Full orchestration is not something I'll be involved with. Ambient, shoegaze, modern post-rock type of stuff is where I'll likely spend the majority of my time for the next year or so.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 07:24:15
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I think it depends more on how hard do you have to work for your money and what you get out of this "hobby". You can easily find yourself flooded with too many new toys to do any of them justice in terms of appreciation and use- too many can also seriously regress your creative output as well.
But at the same time if this is what gives you joy in life then money should mean nothing and enjoyment of life everything.
Two sides of the same coin. Flip toss- its your call.
Over the tears I've spent quite a bit on instruments, other gear and software, but honestly, the Grand Total is still far short of a bass boat, motor, trailer, truck to tow it, fuel, maintenance and tackle.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 07:25:35
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sharke
There is a ton of great stuff in there but it's worth going in with the knowledge that you won't use loads of it. I've complained about this in another thread but I think a lot of the recent new synth and effect additions to Komplete are just not that useful musically and appear to be convoluted science projects more than anything. In addition to this, you need a degree in physics to understand the manuals and most of the presets lean toward the wacky/sci-fi area. I really wish they'd concentrate on usability and musically rather than showing off how many cross-feedback paths they can cram into their amplitude-modulated grain delay clouds
Thanks. I've seen those other posts. The presets in the limited versions I have now are a lot like you describe too.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 07:26:35
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I'm going to be brutally honest.
I originally bought Komplete 8 then I upgraded to Komplete 9 ultimate and new Komplete 10 Ultimate. I have invested.
of all the toys and samples and plugins in all of Komplete 10 Kontakt is the only one I use on a regular basis. I mostly use Kontakt with 3rd party non Native Instruments Kontakt libraries.
The drums and basses are good decent samples and you can get by with nothing else for a long time with them. Battery, Damage, all the 50s & 60s& etc drums, Cuba etc there are a ton of drums in Komplete.
I use Ez drummer/SD2 from Toontracks and have most recently used mostly FXExpanssion Geist and BFD 3. I don't hardly use any of the Komplete drum stuff anymore, or at all.
Orcestral Strings in base Kontakt are okay and decent, there are a few string packs for Kontakt depending on if you get Komplete basic or Ultimate. Frankly I use 3rd party orchestral libraries for Kontakt like Orchestral Essentials I, Heavyocity libraries and recently mostly being using Vienna Instruments libraries that does not use Kontakt at all.
Effects in Komplete are good and if you get Ultimate the ones in Ultimate are much better and quite usable. I use 3rd party VSTs.
Komplete or Komplete Ultimate are really great starting out packages - or if you need Kontakt and or 2-3 other products then it's really worth it as you get a ton of extra fun stuff for the price you would be paying for 1-2 products are full price.
Honestly in a year you probably will not be playing with 75% of the products in Komplete or Ultimate.
Thanks for the full overview. Very helpful for expectation management.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 09:11:30
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If I was starting again, knowing what I do now, I would make Komplete my first buy. At the very least I would get Kontakt but it makes more sense to spend a little more to get Komplete. Ultimate is something you can upgrade to if needed, as it always goes at a good upgrade price at least once a year. Just don't fall into the upgrade trap for each version. Komplete was $999, then $799, then $699 for only 11 instruments back in the day. How things change! The one good thing to come out of the financial crisis was cheaper plug-ins. Sure, you lost your house, job and everything else but your plug-in folder swelled nicely.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 11:08:37
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 15:07:34
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/10/14 15:42:04
Hey Hosehead, let me have some of your beer, eh.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 16:56:53
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Here's my thoughts on it. I upgraded to K10U for a few things. Namely FM8, Damage, Kinetic Metal and I was interested in Rise & Hit though not sure how much I'll use it.
As far as the NI libraries themselves, they are very "meh" worthy. The drum kits don't stand up to AD2, the pianos are okay but you can find much better options, same with the guitars, Action Strings/Strikes is insanely overused and easy to spot in things like commercials, the Session plugins are rubbish imo.
That said, if you want things like Reaktor, Massive, etc as base synths, then it's well worth the cost. Plus many libraries you can't even use without Kontakt. The presets for their synths are okay. They are a company that makes the tools and hopes that sound designers pick them up and create better sounds for them which is fine. Serum is essentially the same in that aspect. Just expect to spend more money if you're not a sound designer.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 21:29:11
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Even though I have been with Cakewalk since it came on a floppy! It's only been in the last 2 years that I have started working almost exclusively Out of the Box. When I upgraded to Platinum early this year I picked up Komplete 10 on sale then upgraded to Ultimate when they had a half price sale as my first big foray into softsynths etc. INHO it was worth the purchase even though there are some things I may only use rarely if ever. Having so many tools to experiment with as I dove into the learning curve alone was worth it for me. And of course the information that the Very gracious people in this forum offer help make the learning process a lot less painful!
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 22:41:24
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Got Komplete 9 a few years back, and also find myself using mostly Kontakt for obtaining 3rd party samples
(aka more spending)
I don't find the NI synths very useful, because I can find exactly what I need much easier in Omnisphere
(aka more spending)
The kind of music you do will determine how useful all the Komplete extra goodies are for you.
For "Ambient, shoegaze, modern post-rock type of stuff" ? you may like the organs, Absynth, FM8, some edgy guitars, great Bass samples . . . and finding that perfect synth patch for your tune in Massive . . . hope you're lucky, and have time on your hands.
I'm glad I never spent the extra to get Komplete Ultimate, because there are so many amazing 3rd party sample collections available that work so flawlessly in Kontakt, and in Sonar . . . my money was better spent there I'm sure.
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Magic Russ
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/14 23:39:15
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I'd go with Komplete over Ultimate as well. I have had some version of Komplete since K5. I haven't had time to learn everything yet. The included Reaktor ensembles alone could keep you busy for a long time. There are a lot more in the user library as well.
Considering your interests, I think you will really like Absynth, as well as some of the Reaktor ensembles. The Giant is a good piano for Ambient sounds. Also, the Arena kit from their Studio Drummer is a good start for post rock sounds.
Massive is billed more as an EDM synth, but there are a couple of spacey pads in there.
You probably will want to check out some of the Hollow Sun and Hideaway Sounds Kontakt libraries.
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Re: Question for Komplete & Komplete Ultimate owners
2015/10/15 12:55:42
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Massive is indeed marketed as an EDM synth, but I think it's one of the best multi-purpose subtractive synths out there. It's got wavetable oscillators, filters, feedback loops and a myriad of modulation sources and effects, plus one of the most intuitive and easy to use interfaces for executing your sonic ideas. Doesn't matter what kind of music you're making, if you need straightforward synth sounds then Massive is more than capable. It's also great for those out there EDM sounds too, if that's what floats your boat.
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