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Can Bus Volume be automated ?
I have drums (all drums from a kit) sent to a Drum Master bus (so I can control the volume of the overall kit). Is there a way to automate the bus volume using an envelope similar to how I can automate a track volume with an envelope ? I now how to use volume envelopes on the individual drum tracks (i.e. snare, tom, etc.), but is there a way to do that for the whole kit via the bus ?
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/12 11:54:46
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Yes you can. Volume automation is simple in the buss. Use the filter to set what automation you want to have.
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/12 21:13:57
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☼ Best Answerby squonk2 2015/12/01 20:55:20
I actually do this all the time on various buses, and also on the Master bus. Although I don't typically use fade outs, I still often fade the last sustained notes on Master for a smoother ending. Also, I may want all guitars to come up a little a certain point, etc. I actually send everything to a bus so I have a drum bus, vocal bus, keyboard bus, guitar buss, etc. I even have a bass bus even if there is only one bass. My reason is that I get all the movements automated in the tracks, and then I can change overall levels in the bus without messing up all my mixing work. Note that when you click the filer and choose Automation in the track, there is a choice for Volume. For some reason, although the bus automation works the same way, the choice is Bus Output Volume. I'm nor sure why there is a difference in terminology but perhaps that is confusing.
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/13 11:27:34
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☄ Helpfulby Milton 2015/12/06 01:33:59
konradh I actually do this all the time on various buses, and also on the Master bus. Although I don't typically use fade outs, I still often fade the last sustained notes on Master for a smoother ending. Also, I may want all guitars to come up a little a certain point, etc. I actually send everything to a bus so I have a drum bus, vocal bus, keyboard bus, guitar buss, etc. I even have a bass bus even if there is only one bass. My reason is that I get all the movements automated in the tracks, and then I can change overall levels in the bus without messing up all my mixing work. Note that when you click the filer and choose Automation in the track, there is a choice for Volume. For some reason, although the bus automation works the same way, the choice is Bus Output Volume. I'm nor sure why there is a difference in terminology but perhaps that is confusing.
I really like your idea of putting even a single track into a bus to adjust the mix volume without affecting the track's automation. I guess it can be with gain, but I like this better, being able to use the fader. Thanks for sharing it.
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/13 21:14:25
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2015/10/14 10:16:08
TimV I really like your idea of putting even a single track into a bus to adjust the mix volume without affecting the track's automation. I guess it can be with gain, but I like this better, being able to use the fader. Thanks for sharing it.
Konrad has described a useful technique, for sure. But it sounds like you may not aware of Offset Mode, which can change track volume without affecting a track's automation. If you group multiple faders, you can use Offset Mode to vary all of them simultaneously without have to use a bus. But I will say this: I think the next update is going to blow some minds when it comes to tracks, buses, and mixing...
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
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uh-oh..... Craig... my mind's in bad shape already..
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/13 23:06:08
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So, the big upgrade is the next one! Thanks for the heads-up Craig. Really looking forward to track-to-track routing.
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/14 20:54:04
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Anderton
TimV I really like your idea of putting even a single track into a bus to adjust the mix volume without affecting the track's automation. I guess it can be with gain, but I like this better, being able to use the fader. Thanks for sharing it.
Konrad has described a useful technique, for sure. But it sounds like you may not aware of Offset Mode, which can change track volume without affecting a track's automation. If you group multiple faders, you can use Offset Mode to vary all of them simultaneously without have to use a bus. But I will say this: I think the next update is going to blow some minds when it comes to tracks, buses, and mixing...
Thanks for pointing that out, Craig. A useful feature that I hadn't been aware of.
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/15 23:51:30
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Craig is my hero. That said, nothing has caused me more grief than Offset mode. It is useful and many people love it. I do not because it is way too easy to lose track (no pun) of where you are in a mix. If you ever turn it on unintentionally, you will create a big mess. I have disabled the shortcut key for Offset. But that is just my personal issue. If you can keep that demon under control, it will, as Craig says, allow you to make adjustments without screwing up your fader moves. Just be careful.
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
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☄ Helpfulby lingyai 2015/10/18 00:54:20
An easy way to get "there" with any automation is to simply click the "W" - for "Write" in the mix window (console view) - and then manipulate the channel strip - volume - pan - etc. This is helpful in my experience as sonar automatically creates an envelope for the parameter you want to manipulate. Say - you want to add a high shelf to an eq on your guitar buss - but only for the chorus.... click the W - open the lug in and just click and drag the eq in real time and sonar creates the specific envelope for you. There are times in a mix when I will want to do a complex effect manipulation - like for example - on the last note of a rock star guitar solo - lengthen a decay time of a reverb, while also increasing the intensity, spread, and mix of it. For something complex like this - its super easy in sonar: Go to the last note - arm the "write" feature - open the reverb plug in - press play and simply click on each of the controls I want to manipulate - in this case - decay, drive, spread, and mix. Sonar creates each of these envelopes individually, Ill then loop the section of the audio and go back in and fine tune the effect automation. MAKE SURE YOU TURN THE WRITE COMMAND OFF so you dont dig yourself a hole=-)
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/16 11:10:50
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You can draw automation in buses, the problem is that the Aim Assist line, which is so useful for positioning nodes and edits in the track pane, does not extend down into the bus pane. It's like they've never turned it on down there (hmm that didn't come out right ) I posted a feature request about this ages ago which got a good number of votes but who knows if Cakewalk reads the feature request forum. Anyway you can vote for it here http://forum.cakewalk.com...in-buses-m3102234.aspx
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/10/16 15:16:00
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Sharke if they didn't, there would be no point in having a Feature Request forum. And yes, the absence of Aim Assist in the Bus pane can be a complete PITA
post edited by Bristol_Jonesey - 2015/10/16 15:26:18
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/12/01 20:57:45
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Thanks konradh, that's exactly what I want to do. But can;t find where to insert the bus filter... in this case for my drum bus to automate the bus volume... the only think I can see that sounds similar to Output Level is "Drum Send Level"... is that the same thing ?
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Re: Can Bus Volume be automated ?
2015/12/02 03:36:30
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No. Just right-click your bus fader and choose Write Enable. Play the project and move the fader. When you've finished, do 2 things - 1st UNcheck Write enable, then 2 - go in and manually adjust/fine tune the individual nodes you just created
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