dongreywolf
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Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
Have a 2 1/2 minute song, but the project is bout 8 min. long...how do I change the song length without shortening or otherwise changing the contents? Damn thing's got me baffled. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 03:44:27
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dongreywolf
Have a 2 1/2 minute song, but the project is bout 8 min. long...how do I change the song length without shortening or otherwise changing the contents? Damn thing's got me baffled. Any help greatly appreciated.
Are you saying the song finishes at 2.5 minutes but the now marker continues moving for a further 5.5 minutes duration? Can you find what data (in any) occupies the remaining 5 and a half minutes. Can you select all and then check the event viewer for events that occur after the 2.5 minute mark? Maybe a meter change, maybe a tempo change or an automation event that occurs after the 2.5 minute mark.
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 11:29:58
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thx for the suggestion, I looked in the event mgr and it showed no events past the 2 min 20 time
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 11:53:17
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It would be an event if your project has MIDI, or it could have actually recorded 8 minutes of audio on one of your tracks. Look for automation envelope notes that are out to the 8 minute end.
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 11:56:38
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☄ Helpfulby morganfm71 2015/10/19 04:06:23
Drag in the timeline from the intended end of the song to past the indicated end to define that as a region. Choose Cut Special and make sure everything is checked. Most of the time that will delete any stray events. The one exception I've found is if there are two automation nodes placed "on top" of each other; you have to track these down manually.
BTW this has come up before and people say "But I don't use automation." However, automation nodes exist whether you've added them or not because that's how SONAR knows how to recall fader positions and such.
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 12:09:40
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/10/18 22:16:40
This seems to be a common complaint and I believe a popular feature request to add an "END SONG" marker and be done with it.
I think it happens when your recording audio, not midi, and forget to hit stop at the end, Sonar happily continues on.. I've gone for lunch and come back only to find a 30 minute track!!.
I think I added a split and deleted the rest.
I don't need the end of song marker because all my songs are toped and tailed in a Wave editor. But I can see it would be very popular with most users.
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dongreywolf
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 13:36:11
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you're right, found a couple of automation lanes...now how do I shorten them without starting over? Really appreciate the help
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 13:43:22
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Right click the last node and delete it
Repeat as necessary for other nodes/envelopes
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 13:49:28
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dragging in the timeline and using cut special didn't seem to do anything
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 13:55:26
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deleted last nodes, lane shows a dotted line after the song,dotted line goes to the end
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 14:22:24
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There's something in there somewhere. The way I found out the issue with two automation nodes placed "on top" of each other was opening up every track to see the automation.
Also, any tracks that are hidden will influence the length and won't be subject to cutting in the timeline. Bus automation can also cause this.
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 15:48:28
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☄ Helpfulby morganfm71 2015/10/19 04:07:32
Like most things in Sonar there's always more than one way to do the same task.
You can apply my method of using split to the whole project.
First go to preferences/ editing / Clips and select Right of split point
Now in track view focus on tracks, use Ctrl/ A to select all.
Put the Now Time at your ending. And right click on the top track keeping all tracks higlighted.
Select SPLIT and all to the right should be now selected
Delete.
This works for me,,, I just tried it.
dots in a track both midi and audio means there is data to the right somewhere.
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 16:33:02
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Cactus Music
Like most things in Sonar there's always more than one way to do the same task.
Cool trick!
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dongreywolf
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/18 22:04:44
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well,I set it to right portion, and it still deletes the data to the left...
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Re: Need Help! How to change song length in Sonar Artist
2015/10/19 18:19:32
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dongreywolf
well,I set it to right portion, and it still deletes the data to the left...
Did you change the Left/Right portion in the Preferences dialog that Johnny mentioned? Left is the default so you'll need to explicitly change it first so that the split leaves everything to the right selected.
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