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Recording Hardware Synths
I want to record my Korg Triton as midi but can't figure how to do it. I want a certain sound that is inside the Triton, it works as a controller but I can't get the sound to come out.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 09:34:36
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☄ Helpfulby bodhi65 2016/04/01 19:16:43
Insert a MIDI track. Set the track input and output to the Korg and set the correct MIDI channel. Insert an Audio track. Set the track input to the output of your interface. Assuming you have the Korg audio out connected to the input of your interface. You can now record the MIDI signal to the MIDI track and the audio signal to the audio track. Buffers should be set fairly low (under 10ms) or you will have too much latency to play/record in real time. HTH Edit: If you want to select the patch from within Sonar you will need an .INS instrument definition setup in Sonar for the Korg.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 09:48:57
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Set the track input and output to the Korg and set the correct MIDI channel. Do I do this in preferences? when I open preferences, there are some predefined synths but it did not recognize my Korg.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 10:22:09
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No, you set your input and output and midi channel directly from the Inspector for each track.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 10:24:27
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 10:28:45
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FBB I saw your video, when I went to my preferences, none of my external devices show up. Only my midi interface. How do I fix that?
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 10:59:48
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If you can't select external devices in preferences as a MIDI device then the drivers aren't installed correctly. I am not familiar with the triton. How is it attached? USB port or via a regular MIDI I/O port? INS files are very helpful. I'm sure you'll be able to find those on the net somewhere if you don't already have them. Basically they are most helpful for enabling you to select sounds by patch name rather than numbers, selecting banks and external synth sounds etc. Once the triton shows as a MIDI device (and you've enabled it in Prefs--->MIDI--->Devices) you need to make sure your output on the MIDI track is set to the Triton's MIDI port. Once that is done you can select patches from the bank and patch settings but to use all of the available sounds you will need that INS file. Also make sure that MIDI echo is enabled for that track. You then monitor the Triton sounds externally.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 12:12:43
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The Triton has been out for a while. Have you updated your drivers from Korg? Do that if you haven't, if you can find new ones. You might not be able to use ASIO. You should be able to hook up the audio out and record it as an instrument. That is all I do with my HW synth. I looked at the Triton when I bought a Yamaha PSR-2100. FBB, I'm pretty sure the Triton has a MIDI out and an audio out (at least) unless they are still making them I doubt it has USB connections. From here: http://www.vintagesynth.com/korg/triton.phpDate Produced - 1999 Rack, LE - 2000 Triton Studio - 2002 Triton Extreme - 2005 This may help the helpers, IDK. J
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 12:13:28
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I will look into the drivers, definitely never loaded a Korg Triton driver. Thanks for your help.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 14:05:53
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Drivers should not enter into it. Neither Windows nor SONAR has any knowledge of outboard controllers, as they only see the MIDI input to your interface. If a driver was involved, it would have been the one for your audio/MIDI interface. But because you are able to record MIDI, we can assume that Windows knows about the interface and can communicate with it. From your OP it sounds as though your problem is audio-related rather than MIDI. You can test this assumption by plugging some headphones into the Triton and playing back your track. If you get no sound in the headphones, then the instrument isn't receiving the MIDI you recorded. In that case, verify that you've selected the MIDI device as your output destination, from the dropdown list of Output devices in the track header. If you hear sound in your headphones, then MIDI's not your problem. The next step is to route the synth's output to an audio track in SONAR. You should be able to record that audio, even if you cannot hear it. To hear it as it's playing back (without recording it first) you need to turn on Input Monitoring. That's a button in the track header.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 14:57:57
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bitflipper Drivers should not enter into it. Neither Windows nor SONAR has any knowledge of outboard controllers, as they only see the MIDI input to your interface. If a driver was involved, it would have been the one for your audio/MIDI interface. But because you are able to record MIDI, we can assume that Windows knows about the interface and can communicate with it. From your OP it sounds as though your problem is audio-related rather than MIDI. You can test this assumption by plugging some headphones into the Triton and playing back your track. If you get no sound in the headphones, then the instrument isn't receiving the MIDI you recorded. In that case, verify that you've selected the MIDI device as your output destination, from the dropdown list of Output devices in the track header. If you hear sound in your headphones, then MIDI's not your problem. The next step is to route the synth's output to an audio track in SONAR. You should be able to record that audio, even if you cannot hear it. To hear it as it's playing back (without recording it first) you need to turn on Input Monitoring. That's a button in the track header.
I agree if it is using a regular MIDI I/O but if it is USB then it may well need it's own driver. Hence my question. That's how my external synths work anyway.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 17:45:49
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If all the routing is correct, and you still don't have sound, make sure the Korg is set to receive MIDI. There is a setting on the Korg that tells the Korg what will be controlling it (the local keyboard, knobs, sliders or another device). Sometimes called "local control", "MIDI receive", etc. On my Kurz I have the option of Local, MIDI, or both. For me it is in MIDI settings. Edit: Just glanced at the Triton manual, no need to change Local control. It will always send and receive MIDI data.
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 18:13:17
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jatoth If all the routing is correct, and you still don't have sound, make sure the Korg is set to receive MIDI. There is a setting on the Korg that tells the Korg what will be controlling it (the local keyboard, knobs, sliders or another device). Sometimes called "local control", "MIDI receive", etc. On my Kurz I have the option of Local, MIDI, or both. For me it is in MIDI settings.
That.. It is the same with the Yamaha and I think you said it would work as a controller. I think that is where your problem is. Like I said I have only used my PSR to record audio but these synths were competing at the same time. I don't know if this applies but there is the MIDI Clock that you can set to internal or external, maybe changing that will help, IDK. On the PSR I can use MIDI IN/OUT or USB, however the manual on the PSR says if using the MIDI in/out to connect the cables to turn the power off to both the synth and the computer then power up the computer (interface) first. then the synth. Try turning "Local Control" on/off and setting "clock" to both internal and external. I am guessing here but I think this may be in the ballpark. I think the technology was similar in these two synths. You may need to use the MIDI send and receive on both the synth and the interface, IDK. Again, just ideas. There are people here who know a LOT more than I do.. but these are older synths. I don't suppose you need a J.L. Cooper PPS-2, I think it was just for using MIDI and tape. I think though that if it is working as a controller, you may need to change the internal/external control. Not sure, but probably easy to try. Someone will chime in and say yes or no... like I said, I'm guessing but trying to help. I wish I knew more. I got out the Yamaha manual because I figured they are similar as far as function. I tried to DL the Triton manual but the KORG link is dead, there is probably another one that works though. Do you have the manual? edit: I just read above that you don't have to change local control SO.. I would try powering down both the synth and the computer/interface, make the connections, power the computer and interface then the synth and wait a minute to see if it starts working. You may get by just stopping sonar and powering down the interface... IDK. Good luck. J
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Re: Recording Hardware Synths
2015/10/19 19:18:30
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☄ Helpfulby bodhi65 2016/04/01 19:33:03
Let's go back to basics... The Korg Triton does NOT have a USB port for MIDI. You must connect the MIDI in/out from the Triton to the MIDI interface connected to your computer. The Triton will not show up as an instrument until you load an INS file for it. Go to Preferences/MIDI and check that your MIDI interface is listed. After you select your interface, use the Instruments section and define a new instrument using your Triton INS file. (If you don't have such a file, check out www.tritonhaven.com. You'll find an INS file for the Triton there.) Then route the MIDI channels to the Triton. After this has been accomplished, you should be able to select a Triton bank and program for your MIDI track and record the track from the Triton. Note: if you wish to use the Triton for multi-timbral recording, you'll have to place the Triton into either Combi or Sequence mode. In Sequence mode you can set each of the 16 tracks to a different MIDI channel and record 16 different Triton programs into Sonar. As for the local on/off, Sonar usually sends a "local off" message to the Triton to avoid note duplication. (Assuming that you opened Sonar after the Triton was powered up.) You can check the local status from the Triton's Global menu. Hope this helps.
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