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about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
Been a while since I have had to do this. as long as I have all my vst custom stuff exported and saved-I don't have to worry about losing any of it-is that correct? Reason I ask is-before the update I had vst scan of 154. after update it's 147. So I figure I need to do this?
Thanks so much
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 22:23:08
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There are numerous updates to the VST scanner and fixes for plugin count reporting that were addressed in the JP update. For example in some cases orphaned plugins were not being removed from the inventory. So its possible that you may have had misreported counts. Are you actually missing plugins that you know you have?
If anything as of JP it should be very rare that you need to reset the scanner anymore.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 22:31:23
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Hi Noel, I believe it's exactly what you said. I did have one issue with Tracks 670 compressor dll. But I have had it before. The VPA host error thing. So I removed the plug in. So tired of the re install process they have and I do not need it anymore. Plenty of compressors. I have most all of the pro channel add on's now- So I am good to go.... Otherwise--no issues with the update at all. Thanks so much for chiming in so quickly. Frank
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 22:51:19
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There are numerous updates to the VST scanner and fixes for plugin count reporting that were addressed in the JP update. For example in some cases orphaned plugins were not being removed from the inventory. So its possible that you may have had misreported counts. Are you actually missing plugins that you know you have?
If anything as of JP it should be very rare that you need to reset the scanner anymore.
In a nutshell that tells me that everybody should run a reset and rescan after they update to JP and hopefully hardly ever again after that! https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013315/SONAR-X3-Full-VST-Rescan-Recommended-for-Upgraders
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 23:03:28
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There are numerous updates to the VST scanner and fixes for plugin count reporting that were addressed in the JP update. For example in some cases orphaned plugins were not being removed from the inventory. So its possible that you may have had misreported counts. Are you actually missing plugins that you know you have?
If anything as of JP it should be very rare that you need to reset the scanner anymore.
In a nutshell that tells me that everybody should run a reset and rescan after they update to JP and hopefully hardly ever again after that!
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013315/SONAR-X3-Full-VST-Rescan-Recommended-for-Upgraders
Maybe I am not getting it but we are talking about Sonar 2015 not Sonar X3. Noel just said that it isn't needed now yet you take the opposite tack and say we should. I haven't done any reset or rescan for the last few updates and I have had no trouble with any plugin. Why are you contradicting Noel here? Perhaps I am misinterpreting what you are saying.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 23:21:05
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Just to jump back in-I asked the question, Noel answered. I did the rescan just because I haven't in a very long time either. The only things that changed at all after the rescan was the Tracks 670 thing I mentioned. And that has happened before.
The number of presets (which I thought was less did not change after the rescan at all-well, it was one less because I removed one myself.
As I said also, before the update I was at 157 or something-for the longest time now. Now I am at 141, so Noel was right on when he said it actually fixed the number. Hope that makes sense, :-) It does to me, but then again I am a bit weird.......In a good way
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 23:24:34
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John
"Why are you contradicting Noel here? "
John please lay off the usual attack dog here.... I am not contradicting Noel here, I'm actually reading what he is saying. This is the bit you are missing John... "There are numerous updates to the VST scanner and fixes for plugin count reporting that were addressed in the JP update." AND "If anything as of JP it should be very rare that you need to reset the scanner anymore" Read this bit again: "AS OF JP" This wasn't addressed in earlier updates was it? So in order to take advantage of the improvements you need to RESET and RESCAN within JP once and then after that hopefully never again... The scanner does not automagically reset and rescan itself when you update I suspect. The plugin data does not automagically fix itself either. I could stand corrected but that is how I interpret it. That's not contradicting. Cheers..
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 23:33:04
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 23:54:41
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/10/21 00:07:54
There has been no need to reset for a long while. That KP applied to the first update of X3 and is obsolete now.
Its absolutely unnecessary to mess with resetting the inventory on each update. The JP changes should automatically drop any unused items in the inventory. Prior to JP there were cases where repeatedly authorizing and unauthorizing plugins could lead to them getting "lost". Thats been addressed now and it should never happen.
Resetting the inventory cannot solve plugin problems. All the inventory does is store information to allow SONAR to list plugins and insert them not to actually play them.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/20 23:57:43
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There has been no need to reset for a long while. That KP applied to the first update of X3 and is obsolete now.
Its absolutely unnecessary to mess with resetting the inventory on each update. The JP changes should automatically drop any unused items in the inventory. Prior to JP there were cases where repeatedly authorizing and unauthorizing plugins could lead to them getting "lost". Thats been addressed now and it should never happen.
Resetting the inventory cannot solve plugin problems. All the inventory does is store information to allow SONAR to list plugins and insert them not to actually play them.
Good thanks for cleaning up that confusion. Thank f**k I don't have to say reset and rescan plugins ever again..!! Cheers...!
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 00:28:14
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Perhaps an apology is in order Alex? Please do not call people names in the future.
"John please lay off the usual attack dog here.... I am not contradicting Noel here, I'm actually reading what he is saying."
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 00:39:55
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And when was the last time you ever gave one of those John?
I suggest you stop winding people up and fry your fish elsewhere... Have a good day.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 06:55:41
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If I read this right, I no longer have to scan at all? e.g. if I add a VST Sonar will now automatically add it?
My system is now defaulted to a scan every time I start Sonar, but not an issue.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 07:39:44
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SONAR still relies on a VST inventory maintained in the registry by the VST scanner. The default setting for the scanner is "Automatic Background Scan." After adding new VST2/3 plug-ins until scanner is run, the plug-ins will not be seen by SONAR.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 08:04:41
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/10/21 08:27:19
The way I read Noel's comments is that a RESET should no longer be required.
Scanning is still necessary to keep the inventory correct/current.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 08:35:13
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Right, as long as you have the default auto scan settings enabled it should not be necessary to manually scan.
SONAR detects new plugins added and should automatically scan them. Now in addition, on each launch (for plugins which support it) it will auto check for licences and update itself if new plugins are detected or removed.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 08:35:50
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I have a question about the scanner: it now seems to be doing a full scan at startup, even though I haven't changed settings. Or at least, I now see it whizz through all the names of the plug ins in the toast pop up thingy, which I don't recall it doing before. Has this behaviour changed?
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 08:38:35
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That's the way I've always seen it. I have Sonar set to scan on startup
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 08:49:21
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I have it set to "Automatic Background Scan", which hasn't behaved that way before.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 08:52:11
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Make sure you have the default scan options set (rescan failed and rescan existing OFF).
In default auto scan mode it should only really load plugins that have changed or those that require checking for auth.
Do you have waves plugins? Check which names are being displayed.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 09:02:10
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Have just switched those off, and it's still doing the same thing. However, in any case, I thought they didn't apply to automatic background scan? They're greyed out when you have that scan type selected. I had to select a different type, change the options, and then switch back to automatic.
It's not causing a problem or anything, but it's different, so I'm curious to work out what's going on.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 09:02:39
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And no, I don't have any waves plugins.
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 09:25:38
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From the FWIW vault ... No Waves plugs here. This is my first scan after a reboot  Subsequent scans run like this  My settings 
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Re: about rescan\reset vsts after Jamaica update
2015/10/21 13:06:26
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