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2015/10/09 12:39:49 (permalink)

How Many Here Use Touch Control?

I'm screwing up the courage (and creating the disk image) to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7, and wondering if it's time to transition from the V-Studio to a good touch monitor. As this requires redoing the studio to some extent, I'm curious what people think before I take the plunge.
 
I had a chance to evaluate touch early on with SONAR. There were three things that struck me as pretty important.
 
  • You had to set up the touch screen not like a conventional monitor, but like a slightly angled control surface.
  • You can't do everything with touch, but the big benefit was that running SONAR became a two-handed operation--big moves with touch using one hand, fine control with the mouse using the other. Made it faster to get around.
  • No "clacking" from moving fader noise. Because I like to listen to mixes at low volumes most of the time, that was pretty significant.
 
But I'm sure there are also have to be limitations, so I'm curious to hear from those who use touch about the pros and cons. Should I go for touch?

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/09 13:06:27 (permalink)
  I was an early adopter and I've never understood why this hasn't been a big deal to every Sonar user.
  It's not perfect, but to me it's more perfect than any other solution. And the fact that the touch screen can also be used for every other function outside of Sonar on your PC.
  I do have it mounted like a mixing board and have a second screen (42" TV) mounted to the wall as a secondary monitor.
  The funny thing is, using touch to move multiple faders is what I use it for the least . I find it fiddly to grab and accurately move multiple faders.
  For navigating the project and zooming in and out and the fly out EQ, it's awesome. If you do take the plunge, do yourself a favor and buy a stylus. I can use it for every button on the control bar easily. To me , it's much easier than mousing around. 

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/09 16:19:20 (permalink)
I use touch via iPad, not Window's native touch system, but whichever way you do it, it's a vast improvement on being restricted to moving only one control at a time with a mouse.

One thing to watch is that anything you do on the touch screen will only be interpreted by Sonar and won't be interpreted by the OS as a control gesture. For example, if "gestures" are switched on in the device settings, moving four sliders upwards at the same time in iOS results in you being thrown into the view that shows you every open app...

I'd say two screens would be a good idea as well. Maybe one laid where the mixer control surface would be and another vertical one, with the console view on the horizontal screen. Similar to the SSL etc. digitally controlled consoles layout.

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/09 16:33:53 (permalink)
Think Cakewalk got into it prematurely, but it's just as well it's there now... who can fail to be exited by touchscreens when you see this... The only way forwards for most Windows applications right now is to go touchscreen in a big way IMHO. Cakewalk understands this, as all we see is big buttons from them nowadays  - but I think a full frontal thrust in that direction is in order...
 
And before people bark in fear, you can have an excellent touchscreen UI and desktop... it can happen and does...
 

 
Touchscreen has arrived (finally).. no really... I know you thought it had been around for years...
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/09 16:37:34 (permalink)
BTW Joeb1cannoli and I want ONE MILLIONS DOLLARS....
 
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 03:30:08 (permalink)
Well, I currently have mixed feelings about this. I have a Surface Pro 1 and Multitouch works great there, it is precise enough, that made me think buying multitouch monitors for my desktop computer may be a great idea. So I bought 2 multitouch monitors (Acer FT240HQ), and the behavior is very different there, the smaller increases/decreases I can make to my faders are 1.8db, the Pans 14% or so, etc. So basically they are not useful at all, there is not enough information around to troubleshoot this, Acer support couldn't tell me if this is due monitors limitations. Also, I think faders are very small for touch use, larger faders will be a great improvement.
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 03:46:34 (permalink)
No touch here, just old fashioned mouse & keyboard.

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 06:45:19 (permalink)
I have a 15" laptop with a touch screen with Win 10 and Sonar Platinum installed.  My "fat fingers" have problems with touch control.  I'm back to using a mouse with Sonar.
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 08:03:54 (permalink)
I have a 27" touch screen monitor that i bought for, and don't use for touch with sonar.  Too many things that can be done in windows that sonar doesn't allow. (Right click for one) - and Cake has not modified anything in console view for touch.
The much maligned (around these parts) FL Studio and Bitwig both are awesome for touch. Very impressed with how FL Studio has customized their program for  touch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvqBDfEhls
 
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 08:56:36 (permalink)
Fwiw when i bought my touchscreeen monitor i went from 2 - 23" side by side widescreen monitors to 2 - 27" (lower one on the desk - (touchscreen) tilted back 15-20 degrees, upper one on shelf, non- touch.
One caveat is that the view angle of the touchscreen monitor doesn't lend itself to too shallow/flat an angle. So you either have to tip it up more, or set your chair up higher than would be considered comfortable for a mixing desk/control surface. 
Also, fwiw, i got more usefulness out of my iPad using AC7 but found the wifi connection to be problematic.  I would still like to pick up a camera kit/midi port for the ipad to try setting it up with a hard midi connection rather than rtp via wifi.
i  think the best way for sonar to move forward with touch would be to come up with a touch daw/ac-7 style "control surface" window specifically designed for touch, within sonar itself, rather than trying to customize everything to make touch workable (at least for me, my opinion only)

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 09:23:37 (permalink)
One problem with using tablets as a touch controller in Windows is that if the PC's network connection is wifi rather than cabled ethernet then you're probably going to encounter the usual dpc spikes and latency issues caused by Windows and wifi drivers.

For whatever reason, Macs don't seem to suffer from that problem, which would seem to indicate that the dpc/wifi issue has nothing to do with Intel-based hardware but is either OS or wifi adaptor driver related. It would be interesting to know if Windows running on Apple hardware via bootcamp suffers from the same wifi dpc issues.

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 09:58:43 (permalink)
Craig, I will follow your story carefully.  I am happy with my VS-700, but someday I am sure I will have a monitor in a normal viewing position and a second one lying nearly horizontal to replace the control surface. My big hesitation is around ergonomics.
 
My mental image of a studio is still a long mixing desk with physical faders and knobs, but that really makes no sense for what I do (or what I've been doing for years).

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 19:54:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RD9 2015/10/16 21:02:55
I have a 23" touch monitor that cost a lot, but it's nice.
 
Mainly I use touch when playing with friends.
 
We share the screen. Take turns dialing in our sounds standing in front of the speakers wearing guitars. Twiddling dials and changing effect settings.
 
I love it as a recording engineer because it gives me a silent (like completely silent really) way to adjust monitor settings while recording other people. Say a quiet acoustic duo with me in the room with them. I can do all kinds of things with touch without impacting them. Keyboard strokes or mouse clicks have shown up on tapes in the past.
 
When I practice alone, I use touch a lot b/c my hands are on my guitar, not my mouse to begin with. I tap record, rewind, and try to change tempo to random amounts. I don't like always practicing at the same tempo because it makes me inflexible when I play with others or perform.
 
When I get down to business of mixing a band, I really never touch the screen. If I have 16 tracks and I've already mixed 3, I'm sitting back with the mouse. Click sounds will not matter since I'm not recording.
 
I do use touch sometimes when first loading up a bunch of tracks. It's a fast way to try to find the tracks and rough in a mix.
 
Off topic, but for solo performance, an adequate looping device would be cool. We really don't have one in Sonar, which kinda blows. I have a looper Pedal, but it's mono and to tell the truth I don't usually plug it in.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/16 20:52:52 (permalink)
A timely forum.  I had been wondering how touch screens were viewed by Sonar users.  I use the one on my web surfing netbook all the time but don't see much benefit for my Sonar work flow (recording and composing). I have an A-300 Pro keyboard that has a Sonar control pad but I still resort to the mouse most of the time.  Visually I like having the monitor an arm's length away so I wont be changing over soon.
 
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/17 06:32:23 (permalink)
If only faders and pan in the consideration : then control surface with motorized faders will be better in conjunction with a touch screen to for additional flopping/select etc.
 
 
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/17 07:51:13 (permalink)
No touchscreen here.
 
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/17 09:49:33 (permalink)
I've been thinking that my next piece of studio gear would be a 27" multi (10 point) touch monitor.

I think it's the way of the future for DAWs and even though Cakewalk have promoted touch for a long time, it seems to have stagnated since first release. Sadly my experiments with Sonar don't give me much confidence. I still love working in Sonar and reckon it's the best but this is an area I'd like to experiment with more. I have Studio one 3.1 and there is aready a remote for iPad app that's controls Presonus hardware which is very well done. There will also soon be an app ( maybe already released by this time) that provides direct remote control of hardware from inside Studio One and full remote control of Studio One as well. Certainly interested in how this technology pans out. Would love if Sonar really had a proper working control surface function through touch.

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/19 16:38:14 (permalink)
I use a touch screen, but not an optimum solution.  I have touch on my 15" HP laptop and in my studio I have two 23" monitors that I use to extend and expand my view.  As my eyes age, it's more important to have those close-up views.


That said, I would invest in a larger (largest?) 10-point touch screen with Win10.  As mentioned, install in a position that is half monitor and half keyboard.  Maybe a 30-40 degree angle.  I still would use a keyboard for data entry, notes, text (obviously), and productivity apps, but the touch screen would be my primary interface for SONAR.


I also agree that the bakers could do more to capitalize on current touch capabilities with the goal of performing all functions efficiently using the screen, the keyboard, the mouse, or any combination, but their brilliant product development strategy is almost certain to extend current utilization.  

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/20 22:30:59 (permalink)
Hi Craig,
I use a Dell XPS18 i7 tablet with 8gig of ram. Its 18 inch screen made it the largest tablet available when I bought it. It still might be.
It has feet that allow it to stand like a monitor or lie at a angle like a mixer.
The hardware has exceded my expectations in every way, except maybe more USB ports.
Most of my old hardware drivers work. Eg tascam us122, venom, plugiator, um880 etc
Its probably just me, but I have long hoped to get the mouse out of my work flow. I despise having to use it for music. So I have been observing the development of touch for a long time.
Half the time I work with the tablet in my lap, mouse and keyboard free. When I have hardware conected I place it on a table and use the wireless keyboard as a remote.
And while its so close to working for me, Sonar is also so wide of being anywhere near usable as a touch compatable Daw.
The reason is this.
Somewhere the decision has been made that to do any editing you will need a mouse, because that is the only way you can reach the right click menu.
Without the right click menu you really wont get very far in Sonar.
I had a discussion with Noel on another thread. He said that the right click would be imcompatable with touch scrolling. It was very soothing to hear it from the top.
However Im not sure thats true. Windows indicates on the screen when its trying to open the right click men. And it doesnt seem to have any trouble determining the differece in other applications.
Actually applications that have no emphisis on touch are more generally usable in this regard. There is a youtube video somewhere showing sonar x2 being used against cubase and reason for touch and it shows Sonars approach to touch is far too self limited.
To get around the lack of tight click I use a mouse emulator called touchmousepointer. Its a utter pain, but it works.
I guess Im in a minority, but I think that monority is growing exponentially, and the bakers are going to have to rethink it soon.
Bitwigs approach of having a special overlay for touch seems the smartest way to go. But recent features like the onscreen keybooard show cakewalk are doing cool things without needing to copy anyone.
Otherwise if there was a keyboard shortcut provided to trigger the right click context menu... I could shut up for a while.
Anyway I hope you go touch Craig. Its about as addictive as crack. Once you taste it you just want more...
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/21 22:20:17 (permalink)
These are all very helpful responses. Still haven't screwed up the courage to move to W10 yet, and W7 doesn't support touch, so...right now it's down to imaging my C drive so if W10 makes things blow up, I can still get work done.
 
I'm sure that after updating to W10 I'll kick myself for not doing it sooner...on the Mac I'm still on Mavericks because it's rock solid, but I'm about to make the leap into Yosemite because I figure with El Capitan happening, they probably fixed all the issues in Yosemite by now.
 
Speaking of which, why did they stop doing cat names? I was so looking forward to the "Hello Kitty" version of OS X.
 
Thanks again everyone for the comments, looking forward to more. 

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/21 23:40:20 (permalink)
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These are all very helpful responses. Still haven't screwed up the courage to move to W10 yet, and W7 doesn't support touch, so...right now it's down to imaging my C drive so if W10 makes things blow up, I can still get work done.
 
I'm sure that after updating to W10 I'll kick myself for not doing it sooner...on the Mac I'm still on Mavericks because it's rock solid, but I'm about to make the leap into Yosemite because I figure with El Capitan happening, they probably fixed all the issues in Yosemite by now.
 
Speaking of which, why did they stop doing cat names? I was so looking forward to the "Hello Kitty" version of OS X.
 
Thanks again everyone for the comments, looking forward to more. 


Just do it, Craig. Make an image backup of your current set up and go for it. You'll be glad you did. There. Now you have someone else to blame if things go south on you.
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/22 03:47:18 (permalink)
Craig, FWIW, I had absolutely no issues upgrading from '7 to '10. In fact, it all seems to run a little better. Lower CPU. Less crashes. And I HATE being out of my comfort zone as I have a massive workload on most days.
 
I downloaded 10, but BEFORE installing I cloned my C drive (that way it's only one download). Then installed and it's been great.
 
Your mileage, kilometers or light years may ,of course, vary :O)
 
Great thread though - I am also keen on getting all touchy feely shortly.
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/22 07:24:10 (permalink)
Windows 10 on three systems. One system still at W7. That system has the big midi UM880 and two digital touch mixing surfaces. And that system has drivers wich aren't yet available in windows 10.
 
Windows 10 has been relatively problem free. I would not ditch the 700 system. Since it's nice. But you can add a Microsoft touchpad. Wich makes more sense to me than greasy fingers on a screen. Or you get red eyes and no sleep because you have been staring into a lamp for 12 hours.
 


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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/22 08:15:53 (permalink)
I'm on Windows ten and recently learned how to permanently disable Windows defender on my mobile rig. I believe that defender re enabling in the middle of a gig caused me to lose a recording.

It has to be disabled in group policy.
post edited by gswitz - 2015/10/22 08:25:59

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/22 08:51:16 (permalink)
Windows Defender has never caused me any problems, in Win 8/8.1 or Win 10.  Same way the previous name, Microsoft Security Essentials on Win 7.
 
However, I disable the Ethernet controller when I record/mix, etc. 

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/22 09:15:08 (permalink)
My windows 7 desktop runs WAAAAY better with 10 than it ever did with 7! I just upgraded, no clean install. I wish 7 had run this good all that time! The only problem I experienced was that the internal HD audio controller got turned back on some how in the upgrade. After I dis-abled that, it's been running like an Indy car! And the latency is the lowest in Sonar so far.

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/24 09:11:15 (permalink)
Just evaluate your studio first.   There is very poor firewire support in 10 and some of my older plugins didn't work.  I imagine that I could suffer a couple of days and solve all the issues but really, I have no complaints at all with Sonar running on my quad core HP under 7 so I rolled back and plan to stay there.   Since this computer is dedicated to music only and Sonar is more or less all I use it for, if it ain't broke, I'm not fixing it;

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/24 11:49:35 (permalink)
I am VERY interested in buying a touch screen for SONAR for my dell studio 1747 laptop (now running WIN 10, with benefits).
 
MY CONTEXT AND OBSERVATIONS
 
I, for one, am bad as SH** when I try to setup any control surfaces that does NOT come with presets for SONAR (and I seem to have the habit to be interested mainly by controllers that DOES NOT offers presets for SONAR...) The result being that I am just partly using my MKP mini controller and I am almost never properly unsing my Yamaha 01v96 as a controller for Sonar. (I know there is ACT and messed around with it... i'll get it eventually...)
 
So, my experience with SONAR and control surfaces so far: very frustrating (But it is mainly my fault, as I am not good with work-arounds when presets are not avail...)
 
My opinion is: touch is the future (as a lot of controllers seems not to work properly right out of the box with SONAR. The most common problem being "The controller sends messages to Sonar correctly, but does not seems to receive some messages back from it..."
 
Touch solutions will be more affordable than controllers offering "motorized faders" and the likes. Reaction to the DAW's / PLUGIN's current state is ESSENTIAL to a workflow using a controller. I much prefer mixing only 1 parameter with a mouse knowing at what value I am starting FROM instead of messing with 8 non-motorized fader by first putting the thing BACK at the value showed in the daw BEFORE actually being able to input the values I want to at that moment... Also, current affordable controllers almost NEVER support motorized faders. Heck, even INFINITE ROTARY ENCODERS seems to be a luxury (I cannot believe that new controllers are still offering only "FINITE" rotary encoders... a complete non-sense for me... the new BEHRINGER line seems to be getting the idea...)
 
The MICROSOFT SURFACE as a controller combo using REMOTE DESKTOP seems promising. I would like to try it but I want to be able to use the surface AND work locally on that laptop at the same time (Isn't a remote desktop session logging off the "local" session of the machine it is connected to?)... So, have not yet looked into it.
 
MY (hopefully correct) CONCLUSIONS
 
For touch to really take momentum in Sonar, a lot of work still needs to be done in the UI (the sooner the better). For me, updates to the CONSOLE VIEW's code to allow us to configure displayed parameters to better react to any finger size is essential (same applies to any of the DAW'S windows IMO).
 
Putting work into CODE development to better support natively ANY touch device, instead of new CONTROL SURFACES designs for the next 2-3 years, WILL be profitable. Afterwards, there will still be time for Tascam to develop good (and affordable) controllers flexible enough for the 2020's. Heck, I am thinking of a product that could offer 1-2 motorized faders, infinite rotary controllers and a touch surface. I think AKAI is offering things like this now. More like those needed....
 
TOUCH MONITORS will still have the better advantage for me, as I would be able to use it with other softwares. So any control surface having a too high price-tag will not be considered by the semi-pro-hobbyist audio producer that I am.
 
... BUT... I will only be buying a touch monitor IF the bakers are rolling out some new features in that area... full circle, chicken / egg situation...
 
Hope this helps a little.

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Re: How Many Here Use Touch Control? 2015/10/24 13:37:37 (permalink)
i'm staying with mouse... i would need a LARGE screen to use touch and then your face would be right in it and the eyes would dry up... but then I'm no spring chicken.

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