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No VST output - AGAIN!!
This is a recurring problem which is driving me nuts!
For some obscure reason, my VSTs have stopped producing audio back out though my Sapphire Pro 40. Focusrite have been very helpful but as the Pro40 is working correctly - apart from the VST issue - they are also at a loss.
This seems to be a Sonar problem because audio from other sources - the Internet, Windows jingles and CDs etc. - are all output correctly. It's only Sonar VST outputs.
On the Sonar desktop screen, the Bar Graph level meters for midi and audio respond to midi input from my keyboard as one would expect, but I cannot get any audio.
On previous occasions when this happened i used several "restore" points which eventually seemed to sort the problem out - but I don't know why or how. Using restore points on this occasion has not worked and I'm at a loss as to how to sort it out.
Do I need to uninstall Sonar and install it again?? Any other things I can try?? Anyone else had this problem - and found a solution??
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 06:49:46
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What about plain audio playing back from SONAR?
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 06:54:21
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Hi. Do you happen to have share drivers with other programs enabled (Preferences (P), Audio, Playback and Recording?
Best of luck.
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 07:08:05
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What specific version of Sonar? Try deleting AUD.INI (google for details).
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/28 07:19:46
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 08:33:29
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This does sound like some other app (or Windows) stealing the audio interface outputs out from under Sonar. When you are working in Sonar, you should turn off all Windows sounds and be aware that switching to audio in your browser or WMP/iTunes and the like can change the bit rate/depth of the interface in a way that Sonar can't take it back. Usually, resetting the interface will solve the problem.
Regards,
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 08:51:23
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Can this be related to a strange issue I have always had? If I add too many VST soft synths (virtual instruments), my audio dies until I delete or freeze one or more. ("Too many" is not the same in every project. It could be 7 or it could be 12 or some other number.) I also see both audio and MIDI meters moving, but no sound comes out.
I am only using half my memory and CPU utilization is low.
I don't want to hijack this thread: I am just mentioning this in case it sheds any light on the OP's issue.
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 09:23:03
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Not sure Konrad.
I can have as many as 20/30 vsti's without issue
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 10:10:00
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/10/28 10:41:00
Tremor
This is a recurring problem which is driving me nuts!
For some obscure reason, my VSTs have stopped producing audio back out though my Sapphire Pro 40. Focusrite have been very helpful but as the Pro40 is working correctly - apart from the VST issue - they are also at a loss.
This seems to be a Sonar problem because audio from other sources - the Internet, Windows jingles and CDs etc. - are all output correctly. It's only Sonar VST outputs.
On the Sonar desktop screen, the Bar Graph level meters for midi and audio respond to midi input from my keyboard as one would expect, but I cannot get any audio.
On previous occasions when this happened i used several "restore" points which eventually seemed to sort the problem out - but I don't know why or how. Using restore points on this occasion has not worked and I'm at a loss as to how to sort it out.
Do I need to uninstall Sonar and install it again?? Any other things I can try?? Anyone else had this problem - and found a solution??
Don't feel bad....this is happening to me too....but I have narrowed it down to Saffire's control panel and sample rate... Both Sonar and Saffire control panel's sample rate are the same, but for some strange reason, it won't play back unless you exit out of sonar, go into saffire control panel, switch sample rate and then back, bam, audio starts working... I definitely think it's a bug with their driver, control panel, but good luck trying to convince their techsupport of that...... hope this helps:)
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 10:37:34
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dcumpian
This does sound like some other app (or Windows) stealing the audio interface outputs out from under Sonar. When you are working in Sonar, you should turn off all Windows sounds and be aware that switching to audio in your browser or WMP/iTunes and the like can change the bit rate/depth of the interface in a way that Sonar can't take it back. Usually, resetting the interface will solve the problem.
This is why - somewhat contrary to popular DAW opinion - I recommend keeping your onboard WDM audio device enabled and set is as the default record/playback device for Windows, reserving your "real" (preferably ASIO) audio driver and interface for SONAR. This ensures that Windows and generic multimedia apps keep their mitts off your audio interface.
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robert_e_bone
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 12:42:02
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I happen to also run as Bitflipper has indicated above, with my Windows Default Audio Device set to NOT use my audio interface. Only my music production software points to my audio interface, and I have zero 'stealing' issues with the ASIO drivers. I happen to have an HDTV as my computer monitor, so I use its built-in speakers (edited to add: Connected with an HDMI cable) for playing Windows Media Player and YouTube and whatnot. Bob Bone
post edited by robert_e_bone - 2015/10/28 12:53:23
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 13:04:15
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I happen to also run as Bitflipper has indicated above...
That's the other Dave whose username starts with a 'B'. 
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 13:23:38
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brundlefly
dcumpian
This does sound like some other app (or Windows) stealing the audio interface outputs out from under Sonar. When you are working in Sonar, you should turn off all Windows sounds and be aware that switching to audio in your browser or WMP/iTunes and the like can change the bit rate/depth of the interface in a way that Sonar can't take it back. Usually, resetting the interface will solve the problem.
This is why - somewhat contrary to popular DAW opinion - I recommend keeping your onboard WDM audio device enabled and set is as the default record/playback device for Windows, reserving your "real" (preferably ASIO) audio driver and interface for SONAR. This ensures that Windows and generic multimedia apps keep their mitts off your audio interface.
Absolutely... Dan
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Tremor
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 14:15:09
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Hi everyone and thanks all for the input. First off: Kperry - I can't hear any of my pre-recorded audio tracks. Zargg71 - preference to share driver with other programs is unchecked Doktor Avalanche - Sonar X3 Studio, still cjecking what aud.ini does dcumpian - have reset the interface many times now without success conradh - Only have one VST at a time - none of them output audio einstein36 - I've just swapped out the Sapphire for a Behringer FCA1616 with exactly the same results, audio out everywhere except Sonar VSTs. brundlefly and robert.e.bone - I hadn't set the windows audio to the internal sound card, but doing so doesn't make any difference - still no VST audio. The key bit of progress seems to be that changing the interface to the Behringer (using first USB and then a Firewire connection) made no difference at all. So I conclude it has to be something to do with Sonar?? Running out of options now apart from a complete re-install -  - God I hope not....
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 16:14:07
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einstein36
Don't feel bad....this is happening to me too....but I have narrowed it down to Saffire's control panel and sample rate...
Both Sonar and Saffire control panel's sample rate are the same, but for some strange reason, it won't play back unless you exit out of sonar, go into saffire control panel, switch sample rate and then back, bam, audio starts working...
I definitely think it's a bug with their driver, control panel, but good luck trying to convince their techsupport of that......
hope this helps:) I cannot reproduce with a Pro 40 and mix control 3.6. If you are experiencing this I recomend.. 1. Uninstall mix control 2. Reboot 3. Install mix control 3.6 4. Reboot 5. Start mix control. Reset the settings and reset the hardware to defaults. Also in windows you should not be using the legacy FireWire driver any more. Other thing is deleting AUD.INI as previously recommended. If you want to take it even further update your chipset drivers, firmware for FireWire interface and BIOS if applicable. Ta.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/28 16:24:37
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 16:19:42
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To the OP another thing you can do is disable your saffire in windows control panel sounds. Just use you internal interface for this. Get a cable from the audio out of your PC and pop it into the saffire.
This should resolve any windows conflicts with sample rates etc.
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 16:31:40
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Sounds like a MIDI buffering/rendering issue. Does a synth render properly when frozen/bounced? If so, try raising your MIDI Prepare using buffer to 500 ms if it's not already there, and maybe up to 700 or more if it is. On the output side, I would suggest trying a synth that has internal MIDI patterns or other audition function in its GUI to see if you get output that way- Session Drummer or Addictive Drums, for example.
post edited by brundlefly - 2015/10/28 16:42:13
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 17:29:14
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Yup Brundlefly is right. If it's just VST's his is the most likely scenario.
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/28 21:45:15
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robert_e_bone
I happen to also run as Bitflipper has indicated above...
That's the other Dave whose username starts with a 'B'.
OOPS!!!!! MAJOR apologies in order. Sorry. Bob Bone
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/29 00:35:58
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/29 08:58:22
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Input echo is on !
Well another day today, so physically unhooked the lot and ran a couple of virus hunters just in case - which found zilch.
Anyway, hooked it all up again and - hey presto it's started to work! I can't believe that simple galvanic isolation of the cables connecting the PC from my studio set up could have affected anything, because the interface worked fine on everything except Sonar - but there it is, it's in service again.
Don't like mysteries, but until it happens again - which no doubt it will, at least I'm enjoying my music instead of screaming at it.
Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to respond - much appreciated as always.
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/29 09:08:40
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If everything else worked apart from Sonar VST's it won't be a cabling problem, unless you were just using MIDI with Sonar and needed MIDI in/out through a cable. It will probably be back, anyway all the advice is in the thread if it should happen again... Cheers...
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/29 10:54:54
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When you unplugged everything, did you unplug the USB cable to your interface as well? If so, that rebooted the interface. Sometimes a software reset isn't enough.
Regards,
Dan
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Re: No VST output - AGAIN!!
2015/10/29 11:59:52
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Doktor Avalanche
If everything else worked apart from Sonar VST's it won't be a cabling problem, unless you were just using MIDI with Sonar and needed MIDI in/out through a cable.
I agree. By the time audio is being passed to the interface driver, VSTi output is already mixed into the stream or not. It doesn't make sense that a driver or hardware issue would affect only audio from VSTis unless the MIDI was coming in from somewhere else. I would wager it's more likely the associated reboot cleared some bad pointer or other corruption in RAM.
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