fat up front layers pro pop studio vocal - HOW

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2015/10/30 20:35:47 (permalink)

fat up front layers pro pop studio vocal - HOW

So these pop songs like FIGHT SONG by ..someone.. and even the chorus to "too late to apologize" are just phenomenal.  These folks have decent voices but the technique for the mix is what makes it for me.  So how do I get that PHAT chorus vocal like taylor swift WILDEST DREAMS  , normally its during the chorus "wildest dreams up high".  Doubling I know, any other known tips.  My doubling mixing never sounds like that. If I could make my clients sounds that way....Id be in business. ;)
 
so who is mixing and mastering for Taylor and Miss Cyrus now?  I want to know the secrets. ;) I won't tell anyone.
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    Re: fat up front layers pro pop studio vocal - HOW 2015/10/31 10:48:34 (permalink)
    There are no secrets, just a lot of hard work to learn what is essentially a craft.  Most of what you are hearing is simply a good mic in a great room w/ a great singer.  Isn't she supposed to use an Avetone?   It is pretty dry except on the choruses and some pop out phrases where they double/triple record in spots and don't bother to try to line up the takes (yes, imperfection is art, too).  That is Ms. Swift, too, I imagine.  Then slather on the reverb (tailored for her voice - intended pun there) at those points and others, which pops out the phrases and lines even tho reverb usually buries the reverbed in the back.  But using it judiciously draws your ear to the effect and line of what is a very articulate voice.  Those crackles in her voice are something singers can either do or not, and do right or not.  When they can use them for emphasis, it is magic.  When they can't, it sounds like a mistake.  Like jazz and doing the wrong note at the right time.
     
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    Re: fat up front layers pro pop studio vocal - HOW 2015/10/31 14:59:18 (permalink)
    a booth, helps eliminate room sound.
     
    a great mic...... is key.
     
    good preamps, clean gain structure, and then choice compressors.
     

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    Re: fat up front layers pro pop studio vocal - HOW 2015/11/01 09:42:54 (permalink)
    I gave a listen to Wildest Dreams, which I'd never heard before. What I hear there is a) a really good microphone in a treated vocal booth, b) double- or maybe even triple-tracked chorus, c) heavy compression, probably an opto, d) some high-end reverb, and e) a skilled hand on the pitch correction and de-essing.
     
    In short, top-shelf gear and highly-skilled engineering. Of course, it helps the gal can sing.
     
    If you want to achieve that effect on a budget, start with double-tracking the vocal with at least some fiberglass panels around the microphone and singer to make it as dry as possible. After that, it's all about practice, practice, practice. No big secrets, just GOBS of little ones.


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    Re: fat up front layers pro pop studio vocal - HOW 2015/11/01 19:48:05 (permalink)
    I hope all this info helps. It has for me.
     
    Parallel Compression is your friend. Learn all you can about it. Especially for drums and vocals. It's key to getting that upfront sound. 
     
    Here is the track listing for Pink's "Raise Your Glass" Take note of how many tracks are spent on the vocals and how they're laid out.
    TRACK 1 - SIDE CHAIN-KICK
    TRACK 2-4 - HIGH LIVEKICKS
    TRACK 5-8 - HIPHOPKICKS
    TRACK 9-10 - HIPHOPKICKS W. ROOM
    TRACK 11 - HARD HIHAT
    TRACK 12-15 - SNARE
    TRACK 16-17 - CLAPS
    TRACK 18-19 - TAMBOURINE
    TRACK 20 - TAMBOURINE (DIFFERENT NOTES)
    TRACK 21 - SHAKER
    TRACK 22-25 - HIHATS (OPEN ON FORTHS, 808, DIRTY LIVEHATS, JUST IN THE CHORUS
    TRACK 26-27 - TAMBOURINES (16THS)
    TRACK 28 - CYMS
    TRACK 29-31 - LASERS
    TRACK 32-33 - CRASH (909s)
    TRACK 34 - MASHINE HIHAT
    TRACK 35 - LIVEDRUMS (SNARE)
    TRACK 36-38BASS (1. SYNTH CS01, 2. STUDIO ELECTRONICS SE01, 3. LIVEBASS, RICKENBACKER 4001 THRU AMPFARM)
    TRACK 39-40 - GUITAR (FENDER JAGUAR THRU WAVES GTR)
    TRACK 41 - ORGAN
    TRACK 42-43 - GUITARS (TELES, OPEN CHORDS CHORUS, AMPFARM)
    TRACK 44-45 - GUITAR (LES PAUL, MELODY, AMPFARM)
    TRACK 46-47 - GUITARS (5THS, LES PAUL, AMPFARM)
    TRACK 48-49 - AC GUITARS (RECORDED WITH AKG 451EB)
    TRACK 50-53 - AC GUITARS (BRIDGE)
    TRACK 54-55 - SOLINA
    TRACK 56 - "PUNK OUTPUNCHES" (DOOOOOONG)
    TRACK 57 - GUITAR (FENDER THINLINE PLAYS MELODY)
    TRACK 58 - SYNTH (CS01 PLAYS MELODY)
    TRACK 59 - JUNO 106 (SIDE-CHAINED IN B-HOOK)
    TRACK 60-61 - GUITAR ("CRAZY GUITAR", THEY PLAYED AS FAST AS THEY COULD AND PUT DELAY AND REVERB ON IT)
    TRACK 62 - SOLINA (DUBS THE MELODY)
    TRACK 63 - GUITAR (SAD GUITAR, JAZZMASTER WITH REAL SPRINGREVERB THRU REAL AMP)
    TRACK 64-66 PIANO (NORD, STABS THE ONES EVERY FORTH BEAT IN CHORUS)
    TRACK 67 - LEAD VOX VERSE / PRE (ALL VOCALS RECORDED IN L.A WITH TELEFUNKEN ELA M 251 --> NEVE 1073 DPA --> UREI 1176 BLACK --> TELETRONIX LA2A)
    TRACK 68 - LEAD VERS / PRE (ECHOFARM AND DIST)
    TRACK 69-70 - TWO CHANNES THAT DUBS THE LAST WORDS IN EVERY VERSE)
    TRACK 71 - VOX - DUBS EVERY OTHER SENTENCE IN THE PRE
    TRACK 72 - VOX - HARMONY ON THE PRE
    TRACK 73-75 - VOX - LEAD ON CHORUS AND DUBS LEFT RIGHT
    TRACK 76-78 - VOX THE CHANNELS HARMONY, CENTER, LEFT, RIGHT
    TRACK 79 - BACKING VOCALS - SHELLBACK, MAX MARTIN, PINK AND HER BOYFRIEND "HOCKEY VOCALS"
    TRACK 80 - VOX - "TALKING ****", ALL THE SMALL COMMENTS IN THE SONG
    TRACK 81-83 VOX - THE CHANNELS BOTTOM HARMONY
    TRACK 84-86 - BACKING VOCALS
    TRACK 87 - TOP HARMONY IN THE BRIDGE WITH FLANGER
     
    Here's some great tutorials on getting the sound you want:
    https://youtu.be/snSVt5qJU1E
    https://youtu.be/yjHZulLTtMY (There are three parts to this one.)
    https://youtu.be/KcenvbH6fjI
    https://youtu.be/6Wx5hl-HP6I
     
    This guy uses some good techniques. I think he over does them, though. Still good to learn for what you want.
    https://youtu.be/bhAFdjvN58w
     

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