What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ?

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2015/11/02 17:27:54 (permalink)

What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ?

I know there are strong opinions on MAC vs PC, but lets say for the sake of argument I'm opting for a PC setup.
What should I be looking for in terms of hardware that gives me minimum latency and maximum performance.
As I'm at home and don't perform anywhere with my kit, I am assuming desktop gives me more bang for the buck compared to laptop(?)

Here's my thinking so far:
A Dell desktop Quad core i7 processor
A decent graphics card
1 TB internal SSD
16GB RAM
Now, for the sound card, interface, I am not sure

Appreciate any input...
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    Doktor Avalanche
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/02 17:36:24 (permalink)
    MACs are expensive PCs from the hardware perspective, but honestly Linux. But not really great support for it so moving on...

    First thing to ask is whether you want an internal PCI interface which will probably be great for performance, or external for max flexibility.. Decide what bus you are wanting to opt for. From there you can narrow down your interfaces...
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/02 17:54:05 (permalink)
    In my opinion, the audio interface that you pick will be the determining factor, considering the computer specs that you mentioned.   Having a solid interface and more importantly, solid drivers, will go a far way in determining the stability of whatever computer you decide on.
     
    My suggestions for PC would be:
     
    RME UC or UCX (Really solid hardware and drivers)
    UAD Twin USB3 (New, supposedly shipping this month.  Can't wait to order one.) 
    Presonus Studio 192 USB3 (Looks good on paper)
     
     

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/02 18:04:55 (permalink)
    3 drives will be a better option. E.g. System drive (SSD 256GB is sufficient), Samples (audio content) drive (Hybrid 1-2GB is a good choice), Music Projects drive (1-2GB hybrid or regular HDD 7200rpm). From my experience this setup gives me the best performance despite outdated CPU. YMMV.
    Focusrite Scarlett serves well as an audio interface. I bet there will be plenty recommendations on audio card, though.   
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/02 18:20:17 (permalink)
    Rock solid audio interface?
    RME or MOTU


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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/02 18:21:52 (permalink)
    When I last checked a PCI card always gave slightly better latency than USB/Firewire, so I'd look there. Also, I'd suggest going with one of the guys who specialize in audio PC's rather than a Dell...http://www.studiocat.com or http://www.adkproaudio.com come to mind. They're both forum members and good folks to work with.
     
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/02 18:24:32 (permalink)
    Dell is fine I have one. HP Z workstations is what I would consider nowadays.

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/02 19:09:44 (permalink)
     RME, Lynx are two that still have products using the PCI bus.

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/03 11:19:46 (permalink)
    I am very happy with my RME Ucx. Stable, and low RTL.
    Best of luck.

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/03 12:20:44 (permalink)
    I think your specs with Windows 10 will be a good system -  but consider the throughput of the entire system is important when you use terms like minimum and maximum.  i7 is meaningful, but theres a fairly large spread between low cost i7 and the fastest i7 CPU.  Same goes for RAM - theres a very wide spectrum for throughput, and latency. We don't know your track count for recording at the same time, nor your track count when mixing, or what other VST tools you might want to be using.  What are you trying to accomplish?
     
    I agree with gustabo - the latest MOTU AVB line is rock solid - and a disclaimer of sorts - in my application.  I record with multiple MOTU's.  I decided that I would try using the entire home as the recording office for a while - and AVB makes this possible for me with my CAT5 home infrastructure.   Drums sound particularly good, recorded in my living room. This part of the hardware is equally important when in comes to those two words, minimum and maximum.  Latency is not an issue for performance monitoring when you let this part of the hardware do the heavy lifting. While I do not know about Apollo and RME or others that folks give accolades towards, I can't imagine that they don't have queue monitoring or unit linking in spades.  
     
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/03 13:31:11 (permalink)
    RME is noted for their low latency in drivers.  Lynx, as noted above, also was bragging recently about their PCI/Thunderbolt latency.

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 00:20:28 (permalink)
    I have an EMU 1212m.. It cost a fraction of the price of big name audio interfaces and it is a kick ass audio interface with on board DSP that can be used as vst and has an internal zero latency mixer with reverb for tracking. It's big brother is the 1616m. Both PCI express based. The 1616m has a breakout box with qulity mic amps and muliple I/O, ASAT in and out along with monitoring knob and headphone output. It is funny how we rarely hear about the EMU series.. I had my 1212m for a number of years, it works flawlessly and sounds great 24 bit 192k... THis is not an add by the way, it is just good sense... It is just a kick ass system... 
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 00:41:16 (permalink)
    Your audio interface will determine the lowest possible latency you can achieve.
    From there... your machine has to be able to sustain the load (without data-flow hiccups).
     
    There's no DAW related benefit to using Xeon CPUs.
    You'll pay significantly more... for a significantly slower clock speed.  
    Better to get a quality custom built machine... and spec quality components throughout (known to work well as a DAW).  Maximum performance, minimum noise, super low/consistent DPC Latency

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 00:45:24 (permalink)
    The Emu cards were great when they were released.
    I measured the 1820m's average noise-floor at -118dB
    That's world-class territory... and extremely rare for a $500 unit.
    Problem with getting one today is lack of up-to-date drivers.
    Unfortunately, Creative let the product line die.
     
     

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 12:31:58 (permalink)
    Yep on Jim's post on the EMU line.  It withered and died years ago now, as far as ANY drivers or even for any support of any kind.
     
    Kind of a bummer, because I LOVED their X-Board midi controllers, and of course they had the LEGENDARY EMU-2 samplers back in the day.
     
    I had a friend with an EMU audio interface, and while it worked in Windows 7, it always had a bit of radio sound picked up in its circuitry, for some reason, which we fixed with a direct box.  But the far bigger problem was that it simply did NOT work for Windows 8, let alone for Windows 10.
     
    So, I never even consider any EMU products for anything other than fond memories of yesteryear, these days, and CERTAINLY would advise anyone against purchasing any of their products.
     
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 12:34:23 (permalink)
    IF you look at a laptop, I would REALLY encourage you to look for one with 2 hard drives, and hopefully have the primary drive SSD, though you could always upgrade that independently pretty cheaply.
     
    I DO agree though that you get far more bang for the buck with a desktop computer, than a laptop.
     
    I hope you have a lot of fun with your new adventures with a nice shiny new super powerful computer.  :)
     
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 13:13:53 (permalink)
    Thanks Everyone...
    I think my issue is RAM.  MOTU Ethno & Symphonic take up way too much RAM.  I am thinking of getting a desktop with a good amount of RAM 32gb or so, and a decent internal sound card (PCIe one I am sure might be better than straight PCI?).
    I'm not a Pro recordist, just someone at home looking to enjoy music and work with, lets say 7 VST tracks maximum.
    I dont think I need a Pro system, just a decent processor, ram and pcie sound card.
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 13:30:31 (permalink)
    Whatever Jim Roseberry says, listen!
    I started out on a Dell and then bought one of Jim's systems a few years back and it has performed wonderfully.
    It was like stepping up to the big leagues. Designed by a musician, for musicians.
    I used an M-Audio FW410 and more recently the Roland Octacapture. Both performed exceptionally well with the system.
     
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 22:04:17 (permalink)
    I agree with Dean and Mark.  I also bought one of Jim's systems several years ago and it is the best musical purchase I have ever made.  Jim's support and advice are also reasons to purchase one of his DAWs.  He is great to work with.

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/05 22:51:41 (permalink)
    +1 for anything Jim Roseberry says.  I had one of those 1212m cards that has no drivers now.
     
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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/06 00:00:13 (permalink)
    Your psecs look good to me although I agree that the interface is a factor in latency.
     
    I see you are opting for an SSD.  If, like me, you will be using large orchestral sample libraries like Vienna or Hollywood, I believe an SSD is an absolute requirements since the samples stream from disk and a spinning disk can't keep up.
     
    I use rotational for storing projects and SSD for large sample libraries.

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/06 07:49:15 (permalink)
    +1 on Konrad's drive advice.
    • For boot drive, SSD is nice (system boots faster, apps open faster).
    • For projects/audio, go with a conventional HD.
    • Disk-streaming sample libraries is where SSD really shines.  For heavy polyphony situations, you'll need multiple SSDs.  ie: We have a few clients who regularly need 2000 simultaneous voices of disk-streaming polyphony. Multiple SSDs is the only way to achieve this level of performance.  Note:  This is an extreme example... where the client is scoring for video games (doing huge orchestral mock-ups). 
     

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/06 09:14:36 (permalink)
    RME is has a well deserved reputation for low latency and solid reliability.  Which particular unit is best depends on your particular needs (e.g., # inputs).  

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    Re: What is best hardware for minimum latency, maximum performace ? 2015/11/06 13:54:53 (permalink)
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    There's no DAW related benefit to using Xeon CPUs.
    You'll pay significantly more... for a significantly slower clock speed. 


    I plan to upgrade my PC  to the newest generation Intel CPU and I was thinking about getting Xeon Skylake when it'll be available. Xeons are in the same price range with i5. So besides prices and clock speed, is there any reason why Xeon can be a bad choice for a DAW and some video editing?
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