Recording from internet radio

Well, if recording streaming audio from the internet was possible, no one in the music business would ever make any money now would they ? You raise an interesting question though, and I have often wondered if it is possible, there must be some software out there somewhere, it's probably not legal though.
I'll be most interested in the Sonar Forum responses to this ethical question.

Simple with Audacity.

 
 
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If the US laws are similar to Australia:
For public use - You are not suppose to broadcast/play someone elses music at your gigs without paying the appropriate fees.
You can't even legally have a radio/CD playing in a retail shop/workplace without paying a yearly fee.


This is partly true. The venue pays a fee to APRA depending on how many TV's/Speakers/Stages etc they have. Interestingly, APRA can only actually restrict the playing of recordings of Australian artists, which is totally counterproductive IMHO. No such restrictions exist for the LIVE performance of any artists music.
 
APRA is a private organisation. I suspect they are making more money out of these fees than the recording artists are!
 

noynekker
Well, if recording streaming audio from the internet was possible, no one in the music business would ever make any money now would they ? You raise an interesting question though, and I have often wondered if it is possible, there must be some software out there somewhere, it's probably not legal though.
I'll be most interested in the Sonar Forum responses to this ethical question.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/pictures-story/435-internet-radio-recording.html
 
You can record anything you can hear. Worst case with a fully encrypted digital signal chain, you could still mic a speaker, or better just do an analog connection from the analog out to an analog in of your recorder/interface.  Except for the fact that the compression can be suboptimal, you could get better quality than you could with vinyl. And the fact that most of the people in the contemporary music business are not making any money is probably not primarily due to internet radio being recorded. Most things can be pirated with even less effort. 
 
The legality is not fully settled. The US Supreme court has clearly held that "time shifting" by recording a TV program to make it available to view at a different time than the broadcast is a fair use, and does not infringe copyright. Strictly applied that would imply that you could only keep the recording until you had viewed it once. Copyright owners have generally taken that interpretation, and hold that creating a music library that can be listened to again and again is not covered. And there may be other issues with a streaming service that are not relevant to an over air broadcast. Copyright aside, recording streaming services may be a violation of the terms of service contract, which would be a breach of contract at minimum, and could constitute fraud or theft of service. The Pandora terms of use, for example, includes: " Restrictions. Except as otherwise specifically permitted in this Agreement, you shall not: (a) modify, download, intercept, or create any derivative works of the Services, including any translations or localizations thereof; (b) access or use the Services through an application or means not authorized by Pandora; (c) copy, store, edit, change, exploit, download, prepare any derivative work of, or alter in any way any of the content made available through the Services"
 
https://www.aimp.org/copy.../12/copyright_law.html
 
http://lsolum.typepad.com/copyfutures/2004/12/copyright_law.html
 

silvercn
So playing streaming music during downtime at a gig is okay? Pandora is free, so I am listening to a lot of music without paying to listen. 

The difference is that when the music is being streamed from Pandora, even the free version, the artist still gets paid. As someone with music on Pandora, my obvious preference would be that someone wanting a copy of a track would buy it on iTunes, Amazon, or CDBaby.

Ignoring the legalities/moral conundrums...
 
Whenever I need to do something like this (usually if I'm doing a cover and want a copy of the original as a reference in the project) I just use stereo mini jack to 1/4" mono splitter from the headphone output on my laptop into a stereo line in pair on my interface (I mostly do this through my mixer for better input/output level control) and record it into a stereo track.
 
Much simpler than screwing around with a bunch of software solutions BUT any program that is able to accept and record the audio output from Windows (or your browser) like Audacity can supposedly do OR you can route the signal using virtual cables with programs like Voicemeeter which pretend like they are an analog input that you can choose in your ASIO DAW (like Sonar).
 
Basically to do it all "In the Box" takes software routing which is... well kind of screwy and confusing which is why I've mostly avoided it and just recorded direct from an actual analog audio source from a separate computer. My laptop really doesn't have fancy audio outputs at all and the signal I get is totally fine. By putting it through my mixer first too I can even EQ it a bit to be more how I like (which I generally don't have to do). Of course once it's in Sonar I can screw with it even more with effects (but usually just correcting timing issues or even transposing to new keys to learn my parts).
 
Like I said I just do this to get audio in to the DAW to learn covers and may do some light sampling this way which I think, how I use this stuff (especially after mangling), falls under "Fair Use" laws. I would never use such samples as the foundation of a song or play them back in a club or whatever (I ain't no Vanilla Ice, yo). Not really out of some corporately defined legal "morality" but more because I've got enough art in me I don't need to swipe other people's stuff... and clubs can play their own crap and deal with the legalities/fees of it all (not that I play live anymore these days anyway).
 
Common sense and courtesy amongst artists and their works is my moral code. The law talkin' dude crap is just too stale and confusing for me to worry about and if someone gets upset (and they have a reason to) I am more than willing to put their name on the effort and give them their share or just scrap the tune altogether. I honestly don't give a sh*t. Life is too short to spend any time or effort screwing around with lawyers.
 
Cheers.

Use Audacity.
Set the input to your playback device. Play the streaming audio. Record away.
No need to use splitters/patch cables/etc.
If you can hear it, you can record it.
 

Although I don't like the company (well, I had some issues years ago), I use an Internet radio app called "stashimi" by Nero (http://www.nero.com/enu/products/stashimi/). It can record to either MP3 or WAV. It can record multiple streams. Still only the default skin, but a pretty sweet app for $10.

BobF
I'm sure if you don't use ASIO drivers, you could get any DAW to do this.  I use Audacity to keep from having to reconfigure one of my DAW apps to do it.  Audacity is FREE, lightweight and doesn't need be fed or walked every day.
 
I suppose one could set up a special portable install of Reaper configured to use onboard sound devices, but you would essentially have what Audacity does anyway.
 

Yeah, this is why I generally just use the "two computer/record output of one into the other" system (for now). I just can't seem to really wrap my head around all the driver mode weirdness and what program can do what. I get pretty durned good sound quality anyway but it does bug me I haven't figured this out yet.
 
However I have not really tried. Mostly because I know that over the next year (well probably few months) I'm going to be installing/learning/using something like Voicemeeter so I can do a bunch of the tutorial (and vanity/promo) vids I've been planning. Combo of screen capture, live webcam and various other wackiness.
 
That way I can use ASIO all the way through (via Voicemeeter or whatever). That's gonna be brainbusting enough so just simple routing like I'm gleaning Audacity can do would hold me until I get all that other crap set up and tested.
 
I really gotta get on that shiz. I think learning the video editing software though is going to be the real bear. Maybe not. I might be able to get away with Mirillis Action (for screencap), the crummy vid recording stuff that came with my webcam (I really don't like it though) and Windows Movie Maker for editing (but I've been scoping out some more professional freeware and may even install a Linux partition to get access to some of the even better programs available on that platform).
 
Meh... lots of learnin', thinkin' and kanoodlin' so yeah... some simple routing solutions in the meantime (just to get some test material together or for quick one of shiz) appeals to me.
 
/blatherin'

wolskyr
It's pretty simple using Focusrite Scarlett drivers and the loopback, I would assume most other interfaces with a software mixer have similar capabilities. I do the same thing Craig does - record stuff I want to learn so I can loop and comp takes in Sonar over the "backing track". I could just as easily record the CD (yes, I buy the CD's so that ownership and fair use are a non-issue) but why bother?

You'd think but unfortunately the FR "Loopback" function isn't that common (has to be done with cabling).
 
My Scarlett 18i6 does not have the loopback function like the "lesser" models do like the 8i6.
 
I actually had to make a serious choice of either getting more physical ports on the 18i6 or less physical ports but access to the Loopback feature in the 8i6.
 
Apparently (and this was the explanation from Focusrite) the loopback function on the 8i6 (and other models) essentially uses the physical wiring used to allow the extra physical connections on the 18i6.
 
So they are KIND of the same physical box it's just those extra connections go outward on the 18i6 instead of going around inside the box allowing the loopback stuff.
 
At least that was my understanding of the explanation. That was years ago so I could be totally futzing it up.
 
Cheers.

...doubled, sorry....