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2015/11/06 13:56:57 (permalink)

akai max 25

has anybody managed to use this as a controller to Sonar le, when I try to map a button, it doesn't learn it, very confused
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/06 14:05:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2015/11/06 20:10:18
Read http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,107.0.html , especially the second post. ACT MIDI is not recognizing all MIDI commands at the moment. Also Chapter 40 in the Sonar Reference guide can be helpful. In general, you should assign all controls to CC MIDI messages first (see Akai documentation).
 
But to use all features (feedback) you need something a bit more powerful (like my plug-in). Unfortunately, there is no ready to use preset yet (but everything is in your hands )
 
 

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/06 15:25:54 (permalink)
if that's how hard it is to set up, no wonder music hall died
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/06 18:59:24 (permalink)
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if that's how hard it is to set up, no wonder music hall died

With some dedication, you can manage that in 15-30 minutes. Just compare with the time you need to learn any music instrument. And for "keys", how long it will take for you to tune piano ?

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 05:20:27 (permalink)
I don't even know what Azc is! I just want to record, not program
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 06:52:51 (permalink)
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I don't even know what Azc is! I just want to record, not program

When you work with any Synth (why you need MIDI keyboard otherwise?), you do the same kind of "programming" in the progress of "recording". But if you do not want tweak anything, there are some controllers with native Sonar support. Otherwise wait till someone with your controller find 1 hour of his time to make the preset.

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 07:53:14 (permalink)
do you know which one is most like it to use as a template, thanks for help
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 08:17:34 (permalink)
I am currently working on programming the interface using AZSlow for Akai Midimix & MPD232 and there is excellent support by the developer for AZslow who seems to never sleep and once you get into it really opens up the possibilities of what one can achieve.
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 10:54:20 (permalink)
hi I have got the transport controls to work in cc midi, but now the sliders won't respond, could they need a different setting, is that usual
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 11:21:30 (permalink)
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hi I have got the transport controls to work in cc midi, but now the sliders won't respond, could they need a different setting, is that usual

For ACT MIDI plug-in, set faders:
* type: MIDI CC
* mode: absolute
(page 8 in the MAX25 User Guide)
 
Unlike transport buttons, that settings are far from perfect. But for other settings you need to do more on Sonar side.

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 11:25:55 (permalink)
that's for the Ableton software, Live, not sonar
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 11:50:08 (permalink)
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that's for the Ableton software, Live, not sonar

MAX25 is not bound to any particular DAW. Akai mention other DAWs in documentation and has factory presets for them, with instructions how to setup and what to expect. Unfortunately not for Sonar. But that is not a "show stopper" since the device is configurable and has clear communication protocol specification. Sonar has Cakewalk "ACT MIDI" and "Generic Surface" to work with such devices. And there is my plug-in to make the integration as deep as possible. But someone has to complete the job which was not done by Akai.

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/07 11:56:56 (permalink)
if the documentation were clear, it wouldn't need an additional plug in, I think I'll go back to the Tascam, but thanks anyway
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 06:57:14 (permalink)
I have added AZ control, when I add a second rotor, it does the same as the first, using sliders, the first rotar controls 1st track volume, so does the second, great bit of kit tho, thanks
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 08:51:18 (permalink)
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I have added AZ control, when I add a second rotor, it does the same as the first, using sliders, the first rotar controls 1st track volume, so does the second, great bit of kit tho, thanks

With AZ Ctrl the procedure is a bit different... Configure your controls in whatever mode you like, write down what you see in the "Last MIDI event" when you move/turn/push particular control and send it to me with wishes what it should do for you. I create the preset for you (that is a matter of minutes for me), which we can improve than.
 
Otherwise follow "ACT MIDI explained" tutorial on my site. You theoretically can program "ACT MIDI" without reading the whole documentation, but that is not going to work with AZ Controller.

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 09:53:42 (permalink)
ch 1 cc:20value:0 rotor4

I am trying to program the 4 rotors to be volume controls to 4 tracks, should I be saving after each stage, or after rotor 2 3 and 4, how do I programme the transport keys, it's all so new to me, sorry
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 12:25:13 (permalink)
Ive kind sorted the sliders, however, when I program the second bank of sliders, why does it connect to the pan controls of the 1st 4 tracks open, how do I connect to the master faders for example.
I can get the record button to work, but cant get midi signals from play or stop, whats the key there? great help tho, thanks
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 14:41:37 (permalink)
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Ive kind sorted the sliders, however, when I program the second bank of sliders, why does it connect to the pan controls of the 1st 4 tracks open, how do I connect to the master faders for example.
I can get the record button to work, but cant get midi signals from play or stop, whats the key there? great help tho, thanks

That sounds like for "ACT MIDI" plug-in...
Banks there are for the same controls. Get good wine and cheese (as suggested in the pre-words) and read "ACT MIDI explained".
 
Other here can start to blame you for impatience, but I understand you well. After unsuccessful attempts to assign my MPK mini in ACT MIDI controller, without reading Sonar Reference Guide chapter 40, I was ready to throw away Sonar, break MPK mini, forget about computer music and continue playing piano. I have written AZ Controller instead and then I have written "ACT MIDI explained", for those like me at the beginning. Please do not make the same mistake as I did
 

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 14:46:57 (permalink)
I've printed it off and reading it soon
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 16:14:43 (permalink)
where is act midi explained, I have az controller and introducing programming and the sonar guides are lessons, can't find a chapter 40,
post edited by harryh999 - 2015/11/08 17:21:40
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/08 17:51:12 (permalink)
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where is act midi explained, I have az controller and introducing programming and the sonar guides are lessons, can't find a chapter 40,

ACT MIDI Explained: http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,107.0.html
Sonar Reference Guide.pdf you can find in the Sonar folder. It looks like they have reformatted it since X times... Search for "ACT MIDI Controller plug-in", page 1478

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/09 03:28:22 (permalink)
I've read it all and don't understand much, once I follow a link to another page I get lost, seems like a huge performance to programme a few sliders and transport buttons, do you use act and az at the same time controlling different controls?
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/09 06:45:27 (permalink)
AZ Controller is a replacement for (any) other plug-ins. But it is much more complex then "ACT MIDI".
 
Define several controls is "simple" at first look, but think of:
1) on AKAI side you can configure each of these controls different way. Each option has own advantages and disadvantages, these has to be explained to use effectively
2) on Sonar side you can configure each control to control different parameters, also several parameters depending on other controls and options. Also what you set in (1) should be defined correctly in Sonar. And so there is quite lengthy explanation required.
3) AZ Controller is even more complex, you can define complicated reaction on your controls (for example, you can define that "Play"+"Stop" insert marker, "Play"+"Record" toggle current track record arm and so on), that also depends from (1).
 
You was fast in "reading it all". Have you really tried to follow the text (I mean configure what is explained)?

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/09 07:08:54 (permalink)
sorted, I've taken an existing preset in Max 25 and changed it to suit, just took time to find one that worked, thanx for help tho, I understand the mechanics if it all a bit better
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/09 07:45:20 (permalink)
You are welcome. And not that no one is thinking how to improve the situation and simplify what users should "program" to make there controller working. Best approach will be to prepare something working out of the box, the problem is:
 
a) hardware producers are not considering Sonar as a "major DAW", and so there is no support from them
b) if Cakewalk will do that for every controller on the market, not only they have to pay for all these controllers, they also have to have someone for that job. I guess most users agree they better invest into the program major features
c) "power users" with music background do not have time to help and normally they luck "programming skills"  to accomplish the task, "noob users" with programming background (like me) have skills but no idea which assignment is good for particular controller

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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/09 08:01:53 (permalink)
I just wanted transport and faders, whilst I play the guitar, grabbing for the mouse is impractical, the rest of the time, mouse no prob , I will continue to develop the preset though, for fun, and read more
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/09 16:45:30 (permalink)
By the way, do you know if there is an existing Template for the Akai Advance 49  keyboard?
 
Thanks in advance.
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Re: akai max 25 2015/11/09 16:47:40 (permalink)
no, sorry
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