mixmkr
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either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
If you had $125+ to use.... either the verbs or the Boz stuff? tough choice. I don't have a lot of other plugs...just the standard Cake stuff with all the ProChannel stuff CAKE has put out.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 13:40:28
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Valhalla..even stock with Sonar there's an ample supply of EQ's...
But if you want quality reverb for cheap...Valhalla all the way...
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 15:20:30
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You'd be doing fine if ValhallaRoom was your only reverb. Others will prefer ValhallaVintageVerb. IMO VVV is more colorful and therefore not quite as all-purpose as VRoom, which can be transparent, smooth or over-the-top and in-yer-face, whatever you want.
For a hundred bucks I'd suggest either VRoom + VVV, or VRoom + VPlate. Or just VRoom and save the other fifty for the new Star Wars movie.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 15:25:29
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I think EQ is more important than reverb and the Hoser has mid/side capability and is usable in prochannel. Plus you get the earlier boz stuff. As far as reverbs- breverb and rematrix come up for sale from the Sonar prochannel versions every now and then and are just as good as Valhalla.
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mixmkr
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 15:57:02
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I have both Rematrix and Breverb that comes with Sonar Platinum..plus Sonitus, my old Lexicon Pantheon, Perfect space and a freebie or two. I've been playing with the demos of Valhalla, and although nice, in a mix I'm not hearing enough of a difference to pull the trigger... maybe my ears?? But solo...yes they are nice, especially on percussive stuff. I passed on the +10dB stuff when it first came out for the same reasons. I'm not hearing a big enough difference to spend the $$, that I "think" will improve what I've been doing. I don't know....these plugs make it so easy to think you "need" them nowadays, because the are SO good.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 16:02:47
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I completely hear that mxmkr...
We are inundated with "goodies", to the point of not using what
we have...seeking the "Holy Grail" of plugins...
I'd just hold out and see what BF brings...and if you find a bargain
that works for you, jump on it then...
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 16:52:00
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Check out 2caudio breeze and aether reverb. There are demos. And they have been doing 50% off sale during december. Aether accordinf to some reviews is the best algo reverb. Breeze is the smaller brother which is more affordable. I had compared breeze with valhala reverb demo side by side and breeze wins by a mile. At least according to my ears.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 19:43:22
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mixmkr - this doesn't answer your either or question. But I'll put another idea on the table. I'd introduced a thread earlier in the year on how to spend $100 in a very wow way. You might consider reading that just for another set of thoughts to ponder. I stand by my suggestion in that opening thread comment. http://forum.cakewalk.com...is-10000-m3212002.aspxBy the way, one Valhalla would get you a long way without needing more of them.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 20:08:12
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musichoo's right: aether is truly outstanding and has more features than Valhalla (e.g. M/S modes and gobs more presets).
But - for the price ($250) you could get the entire Valhalla reverb collection. And still have enough left over to go see Star Wars. Depends how big the "+" is in your stated budget of "$125+".
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 20:29:39
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I was hot for the Full Rematrix at $99 a few months ago. I think V Room and V Plate would be a better purchase for me. I have a bunch of the "standard" verbs and really like Eos and Toraverb, mostly cuz they're just not like everything else. With Valhalla's they are most likely not going to be on sale so waiting for BF is the way to go. If I have money left over (that made me laugh) the V reverbs will still be there. Though I have wanted to get a "crazy" verb like Black Hole or the like, I am leaning more toward UVI's Relayer, is that the name? From what I saw, that could do what I wanted and then some. But sale prices and BOGO's come into play, so... I hope BF is at least not boring. I hope no one tries throwing their standard sale at us and saying its a big deal. People on these Forums are way too smart to fall for that. Though Native Instruments standard 50% off is always pretty good. I have bought things at 50% and sold them a year or so latter when I upgraded Komplete for about the same, so I might just "rent something for a while again.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 20:58:46
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 21:04:39
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lawajava
mixmkr - this doesn't answer your either or question.
But I'll put another idea on the table. I'd introduced a thread earlier in the year on how to spend $100 in a very wow way.
You might consider reading that just for another set of thoughts to ponder. I stand by my suggestion in that opening thread comment.
http://forum.cakewalk.com...is-10000-m3212002.aspx
By the way, one Valhalla would get you a long way without needing more of them.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 22:01:14
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Thanks for pointing that out Larry. You're awesome of course. mixmkr - I was responding more to answer your deliberation of "is there a difference" or "if I spend the money, is it worth it? Anything noticeable?" First of all, the included Sonar options for EQ and reverb can really satisfy a lot. At least you already have those capabilities covered. Just thinking of the two options you are contemplating (EQ or reverb) versus the included Sonar tools the answer is maybe, it depends... on the other hand, my suggestions in my comment above would give you a resounding YES! - there's a huge difference! "Wow!, what a great use of my limited funds! Hooray!" So yes, you can get potentially more personally satisfying EQ OR reverb with what you're contemplating (pick one). Or, you could get two tools that would knock your songs into a whole level altogether (get both) for less than what you were thinking about. It's a suggestion. (See my comment above for more info.)
post edited by lawajava - 2015/11/20 22:43:13
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mixmkr
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/20 22:30:06
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lawajava.... oh wow.... I missed that thread back when. LFO, ValhallaRoom and Tantra. there ya go :-D !!!
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/21 10:17:45
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cclarry
Relayer is a Delay plugin...and someone on KVR his it for sale for
$75...
http://www.kvraudio.com/f....php?f=43&t=450982
Yeah, I know Relayer is a delay, and that's a pretty good price. Not good enough this close to BF, though. I have wanted to get Black Hole but I listened to Relayer and thought it might do better for what I wanted. I think it might be hard to hang onto my stash for 6 more days. The Valhalla Plate release sure is a monkey in the wrench.
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mixmkr
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/21 14:05:42
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some great suggestions...much appreciated. I played with the Boz Hoser demo a lot last night and it convinced me that I don't need to spend that kind of money on in. Not that it isn't very good, but my ears aren't justifying it over the Quad Curve in the ProChannel and even the LP64, which I don't really use, since the QC is so easy in the PC. Lawajava's suggestions are much better as well, with the LFO, etc. Those look like good times! I'll check the other reverbs too, but I've been using the ValahallaRoom demo a lot as well, so that may need to stay..... but I'm still not 100% convinced my recordings and wallet will both be happier.
post edited by mixmkr - 2015/11/21 14:20:05
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/21 14:23:42
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Between those I would pick...
A Valhalla of my choice (You can't go wrong with any of them).
Everything Klanghelm has or Everything Tokyo Dawn has.
Mid/Side is a very nice feature (I'm still surprised they haven't added it to the quad curve) for final mix or mastering. A capable cheap one is the Toneboosters EQ.
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/22 11:03:58
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Mid/side processing on an EQ is one of those things you don't think you'd use much until you try it. I have the Softube "Passive EQ" and find myself using the mid/side option all the time. It's especially useful when you have something like a stereo bounce of lead vocals plus panned harmonies, and you don't have access to the individual tracks. I would LOVE to see the Quadcurve get a mid/side option in the future.
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mixmkr
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/22 12:23:18
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 Sharke...I think you're right about M/S. I haven't used in much in the past, but this may convince me otherwise. Here's a vid I just did about the Hoser. Not all that techy, but hopefully worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF06D7ilr9o
post edited by mixmkr - 2015/11/22 18:33:18
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/22 12:30:43
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Good Video! Nice Studio mixmkr!
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mixmkr
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Re: either 2-3 Valhalla verbs or the Boz Hoser pkg with +10db ???
2015/11/22 12:47:11
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thx cclarry I might consider the M/S usage more and end up getting this, UNLESS cake pops one in one of theirs!
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