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2015/11/21 09:05:43 (permalink)

Run As Administrator?

Hello Everyone,
 
I seem to remember Sonar X1 - X3 (and possibly earlier versions) needed Sonar to be "Run As Administrator" - infact it installed as such by default (I remember seeing the yellow icon over the Sonar icon).  I just installed Sonar Platinum today on a new PC and realize it is not set to Run As Administrator.
 
Is this something that should be set or does it not matter anymore?
 
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 09:15:32 (permalink)
It seems wise to run the installer as Administrator if you are installing outside of the CCC.  But it does not appear to be necessary just to run the program.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 09:19:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SilverBlueMedallion 2015/11/21 09:37:16
Hope this helps, looks like the answer is yes (run as administrator).
Installing SONAR
In order to install SONAR, you must log in to your Windows system as a user who has administrative privileges. Once installed, the program can also be used by users who do not have administrative privileges.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 09:27:32 (permalink)
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Hope this helps, looks like the answer is yes (run as administrator).
Installing SONAR
In order to install SONAR, you must log in to your Windows system as a user who has administrative privileges. Once installed, the program can also be used by users who do not have administrative privileges.




Cool thanks - I installed silently with the CCC, so no option to run as administrator.  I am the PC administrator, but I still seem to remember a caveat back in the day where you HAD to run Sonar "As An Administrator" even if you WERE one, I dont recall why.
 
 
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 09:55:53 (permalink)
There was a need to run as administrator to authorise certain plugs and instruments such as Dim Pro, Rapture, and some of the PC modules that were purchased separately.  Dim Pro still needs that, to get round it run dim pro standalone as administrator to authorise first time same with Rapture.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 09:59:11 (permalink)
Yes, I discovered the hard way that Sonar doesn't run as admin., resulting in being unable to save the project.
As you know, to run as admin. by default, right click on the sonar icon, then properties, advanced, and you can tick a box to set admin. as default.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 11:09:58 (permalink)
Bit strange that you could not save the project Portsham as projects are set by default to save to a non protected area of the disk, for most installs this defaults to C:\Cakewalk Projects.  Which can of course be changed to another location within Preferences > File Locations.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 11:16:48 (permalink)
SONAR does not need to run as administration. There are some older 32bit plug-ins however which do or at least need their registry entries permissions modified to be accessible by regular users. The last plugin bundled with SONAR which had this requirement was Pentagon and it was dropped from the new SONAR. Running as administrator is often the solution to getting 32bit IK Multimedia plug-ins working.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 11:38:52 (permalink)
Sonar does not need to be run as administrator, but I use Sound Forge and it has to be run as adminitrator when run from Sonar, so I have Sonar set to run as admin.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 11:56:17 (permalink)
I just tried running SoundForge 10 from within 64bit SONAR on Win10. My user account is setup as an administrator. Neither program is setup to run administrator, however; they both seem to work together OK.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 12:21:17 (permalink)
If you are using instances of Pentagon II in your projects, you will need to run as Administrator. There are probably others but that is one that I noticed.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 12:26:01 (permalink)
After running into certain programs that require Run As Admin (while others don't) I just said "frack it" and now whenever I install anything I use the right click > Run As Admin route.
 
That way I don't run into any annoying/time wasting surprises.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 12:42:11 (permalink)
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Bit strange that you could not save the project Portsham as projects are set by default to save to a non protected area of the disk, for most installs this defaults to C:\Cakewalk Projects.  Which can of course be changed to another location within Preferences > File Locations.

I can't save projects in win 10 32 bit unless I set sonar to run as admin as described in my previous post. I have a purpose built DAW with 2 physical HDD, one with 2 partitions and have set the save options to where I want them. If I don't run sonar as admin, I can't save projects.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 12:52:18 (permalink)
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I just tried running SoundForge 10 from within 64bit SONAR on Win10. My user account is setup as an administrator. Neither program is setup to run administrator, however; they both seem to work together OK.


I just noted that Soundforge Pro 11 is set by the installer to run as administrator.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 12:55:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby stickman393 2015/11/21 23:36:13
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If you are using instances of Pentagon II in your projects, you will need to run as Administrator.

If you do not want to run SONAR as administrator and still use Pentagon grant the user group full control on the
 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\rgc:audio software\DXi\Pentagon I
 
registry entry. This is done in regedit by
right-clicking on the entry in the registry,
select permissions from the context menu,
click on the users in "Group or user names"
checking Allow for "Full  control" in "Permissions for users"

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 12:56:10 (permalink)
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Bit strange that you could not save the project Portsham as projects are set by default to save to a non protected area of the disk, for most installs this defaults to C:\Cakewalk Projects.  Which can of course be changed to another location within Preferences > File Locations.

I can't save projects in win 10 32 bit unless I set sonar to run as admin as described in my previous post. I have a purpose built DAW with 2 physical HDD, one with 2 partitions and have set the save options to where I want them. If I don't run sonar as admin, I can't save projects.


Confused, could be a permission thing on the disks/folders you are trying to write to, can you check the security permission on the folders you are saving projects to.

My old Q6600 machine has no problems but then I am running 64 bit Win 10 and 64 bit SONAR.

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 12:59:11 (permalink)
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I just tried running SoundForge 10 from within 64bit SONAR on Win10. My user account is setup as an administrator. Neither program is setup to run administrator, however; they both seem to work together OK.


I just noted that Soundforge Pro 11 is set by the installer to run as administrator.


I doubt it is necessary to run 11 as adminstrator, however; this could explain why SONAR must be run as administrator to launch it. Sound Forge Pro 10 does not install with elevated privileges.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 20:38:46 (permalink)
Interesting. I have never run either Sonar or Sound Forge as administrator without issue. Perhaps it is dependant on system settings?

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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/21 21:40:09 (permalink)
Better safe than sorry. What I posted earlier in this thread was actually a quote from Sonar Official website (Run as Administrator). Do it your way (and hope for the best or just do it the instructed way and never look back). Matter of personal taste and fortitude (of course).
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/22 20:59:27 (permalink)
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Hello Everyone,
 
I seem to remember Sonar X1 - X3 (and possibly earlier versions) needed Sonar to be "Run As Administrator" - infact it installed as such by default (I remember seeing the yellow icon over the Sonar icon).  I just installed Sonar Platinum today on a new PC and realize it is not set to Run As Administrator.
 
Is this something that should be set or does it not matter anymore?
 
Thank You!




Sonar has never set itself to run as administrator(certainly not the X series).  It's generally best avoided as you could land yourself into other issues (drag and drop/security/permissions issues etc). Best do reg hacks with older plugins if they won't run, or better still abandon those plugins if you have the stomach for it. Otherwise guess you are left with no choice. My advice don't do it unless you fall into an issue.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/23 09:58:29 (permalink)
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After running into certain programs that require Run As Admin (while others don't) I just said "frack it" and now whenever I install anything I use the right click > Run As Admin route.
 
That way I don't run into any annoying/time wasting surprises.


I think that was Microsoft's intention.  When rt-clicking on an exe file and choosing Run As Administrator you are running with elevated permissions.  In a "home" environment you are probably "the" administrator of the machine but if your PC is managed by others then that may not be the case.  Just because you are part of the Administrator group does not necessarily mean that you have full admin rights.
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Re: Run As Administrator? 2015/11/23 11:01:41 (permalink)
I hate running any application as an administrator and will either do what it takes to fix it so that I can run it as a regular user or banish the software from my computer. That's just giving code I didn't write far too much power over my system. I'd particularly worry about any freeware VST's that require elevated access. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason for music production apps to require that kind of access.
 
By the way, I also run as a standard user, not as an admin. That way I can't accidentally grant excessive permissions to nefarious bits of code if I were to hit a link I shouldn't have in an email.
 
If you find that you do need to run Sonar as an administrator, get Cake support on the phone and resolve the real problem.
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