With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic?

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2015/11/24 18:21:17 (permalink)

With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic?

Are there any good reasons to keep D-Pro and Rapture installed after the latest update of RP today? With the "remastered" D-Pro and Rapture Classic samples for RP, why would I use either of the old synths if I don't have any archived projects that use either?
 
Also, I'm assuming that Rapture Sessions is 100% duplication of what I already have, so no need to d/l and install. Correct? If so, can I hide the Rapture Sessions app in CCC? I didn't see an obvious way to do it.

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    Doktor Avalanche
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/11/24 21:22:36 (permalink)
    Only if you have old projects referencing it. I asked the very same Q myself.. Thank goodness somebody repeated the same question for me otherwise would never have got the answer from cakewalk
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/11/26 01:28:22 (permalink)
    and the answer was...?

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/11/26 08:54:39 (permalink)
    NO, you don't need Rapt and DimPro installed if you have Rapt Pro.  It is supposed to play programs from both and all the associated libraries.
     
    However, if you don't load the older programs you will manually have to replace the synth and programs for older song files.

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/11/26 09:03:53 (permalink)
    My plan is to let my next machine build, at whatever point in the future, play the cleanup role.  With samples on a secondary drive, the potential space savings isn't worth the time/trouble for me to bother with uninstalling.
     
    And as AT said, there is always the chance an older project will get revisited.
     
    IIRC, you should be able to hide (exclude) the old versions via Plug-in Manager to declutter your instrument select lists.

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/11/26 09:43:29 (permalink)
    Without built in sample file management near impossible. Even with reg hacks and mklinks.

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 13:19:47 (permalink)
    Last night I was updating some things and noticed a bunch of red lights under Rapture Pro: Dim Pro 1 and 2, and a bunch of sound packs? I installed them but now I'm wondering if I should have. My memory isn't what it used to be and I have this nagging thought that I had left them red for a reason. Am I OK or should I delete them? They all seemed to go to my E drive which is fine, if they aren't going to cause me problems. I AM trying to stay 64bit as much as possible. Will playing 32bit samples with a 64bit instrument cause me trouble?
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 13:48:43 (permalink)
    You should be OK. The bit depth of a sample is a completely different thing than the format of a plug-in. Do not think of them as in any way similar. The bit depth of a sample is like the bit depth of your SONAR projects. Very few create projects using 64bit. I suspect most use 16 or 24bit. Yet most running 64bit Windows probably use 64bit SONAR and plug-ins.
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 14:03:34 (permalink)
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    Very few create projects using 64bit.

    64-bit PCM audio projects? Never heard of such! I've never seen an audio interface that is capable even of 32-bit resolution, 24-bit is very common though. Yes, some DAWs allow for 32-bit audio recording, but that is merely a conversion of 24-bit signal to 32-bit audio.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth
    post edited by Soundwise - 2015/12/09 14:15:21
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 14:13:24 (permalink)
    SONAR has settings to run a project at 64bit depth. I have never tried. Some audio drivers are fixed at 32bit. I suspect this is due to software mixers and effects supplied with the interfaces. Of course, this does not mean the hardware is running at 32bit.
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 15:46:02 (permalink)
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    SONAR has settings to run a project at 64bit depth. I have never tried.

    Indeed. Never paid attention to it, as audio-interfaces that I knew of are only capable of 24-bit.
    Last time I checked there were no interfaces that supported 32-bit audio resolution. The times have changed, 32-bit ADCs now are easy to find, and there are some audio interfaces with 32-bit resolution. Yes, they exist. ) Sorry for some rigidness in previous statement.
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 16:50:00 (permalink)
    The double precision (64 bit) option for the engine is for higher precision and headroom, not to read/process 64 bit audio samples.
     

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 17:08:17 (permalink)
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    The double precision (64 bit) option for the engine is for higher precision and headroom, not to read/process 64 bit audio samples.
     



    I was not referring to the 64bit DPE but the "File Bit Depth" settings in Preferences > File > Audio Data
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/09 20:09:18 (permalink)
    scook
    SONAR has settings to run a project at 64bit depth. I have never tried. Some audio drivers are fixed at 32bit. I suspect this is due to software mixers and effects supplied with the interfaces. Of course, this does not mean the hardware is running at 32bit.


    My bro and I did some math based on the specs of the km 184 SDC microphone. Basically, there was a pretty wide range of levels for the RME UCX where all of the sound delivered by the Mic could be reproduced entirely. You can leave a ton of headroom without losing anything the Mic captures.

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 07:55:40 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. It is misleading and hard for an analog man to understand. I'm not sure I'll ever understand MIDI. I'll just use what I can and not worry about it. BTW, I wasn't thinking of recording 64/96 or anything like that, just using 64bit VSTs. I usually try to run 24/48 but sometimes this or that says I am limited to 16/44.1
    It doesn't really seem to matter.
     
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 08:32:42 (permalink)
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    BobF
    The double precision (64 bit) option for the engine is for higher precision and headroom, not to read/process 64 bit audio samples.
     



    I was not referring to the 64bit DPE but the "File Bit Depth" settings in Preferences > File > Audio Data




    Got it ... seems the 64 bit DPE would be req'd for 64 bit deep samples.  Otherwise everything gets chopped to 32 for processing.  Just trying to make sense for myself
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 11:27:46 (permalink)
     
    Has there been anything written on Rapture Pro's folder structure ?  I've pieced together an idea from my experience installing and uninstalling Rapture Session (for instance I've seen its registry paths to various sound libraries and I presume it does something very similar to RPro as far as folders go) but it would be nice to know the finer details specifically related Pro.  Especially locations that can and can't be specified by the user.
     
    What I'm most interested in is how the Rapture Classic and DimPro programs/samples/etc are merged to be used by RPro.  Does RPro copy their programs as does Rapture Session ?  If it does, then I think that you really wouldn't want to use DimPro or RClassic for any new sound development because their browsers would get out of sync with RPro's.
     
    I've come to the realization that Cakewalk's intent must be to leave RClassic and DimPro behind after having merged their functionalities and program structures.  However, RSession left RClassic and DimPro's multisample folders alone, it didn't copy them like it did their programs.  Is there a way to move their multisamples into RPro's folder structure to bring everything under RPro ?  (just edit the registry, for example ?)
     

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 12:03:41 (permalink)
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    What I'm most interested in is how the Rapture Classic and DimPro programs/samples/etc are merged to be used by RPro.  Does RPro copy their programs as does Rapture Session ? 

    Yes, RPro performs the same copy process for DPro and Rapture Programs
     
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     Is there a way to move their multisamples into RPro's folder structure to bring everything under RPro ?  (just edit the registry, for example ?)

    Yes. there is a registry entry for RPro
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\Rapture Pro
    and RSes
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\Rapture Session
    In these are paths to the legacy Multisample folders called "Dim Multisamples Path", "Rap Multisamples Path" and "CSC Multisamples Path"
     
    IIRC, you converted everything to wave in DPro. All factory samples in RPro/Ses are flac. If the legacy libraries are installed for RPro, copying the existing DPro/Rap wave multisamples into the new location will duplicate all the factory samples.
     
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 12:48:17 (permalink)
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    IIRC, you converted everything to wave in DPro. All factory samples in RPro/Ses are flac. If the legacy libraries are installed for RPro, copying the existing DPro/Rap wave multisamples into the new location will duplicate all the factory samples.



    Thanks Steve.  My DimPro and Rapture Multisamples folders have more than the "factory samples" (is what that comprises, exactly, listed somewhere) since I've added to them.  Also RPro has apparently modified the factory samples ("remastered content") ?  So I'm guessing RPro has it's own Multisamples folder.  How are original and remastered versions of the same program kept separate, or are they ?
     
    I can see myself acquiring DPro in the not too distant future and I would then go about merging and cleaning up everything since I don't like pieces scattered all over the place (and I'd forget about ever using Rapture or DimPro again).  Having to reconvert anything to wav isn't a big deal for me, it's just figuring out how everything fits together that's interesting me for the moment.
     
     

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 13:14:24 (permalink)
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    Thanks Steve.  My DimPro and Rapture Multisamples folders have more than the "factory samples" (is what that comprises, exactly, listed somewhere) since I've added to them.  Also RPro has apparently modified the factory samples ("remastered content") ? 

    Other than converted Rapture samples to flac, I do not believe the legacy content was altered in any way. The remastering was to address new content issues.
     
    Paul P
    So I'm guessing RPro has it's own Multisamples folder.  How are original and remastered versions of the same program kept separate, or are they ?

    It looks like the two legacy synth multisample folders merged together with added folders for new content. FWIW, I did a full RPro install. It is possible to skip the legacy installers if you wish. The advantage to installing the legacy content included with RPro are the reorganized program folders.
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 16:22:05 (permalink)
     
    Thanks again.  I guess DSF and other companies selling sound packs for Rapture and DimPro will have to reissue them for Rapture Pro.  I see no mention of RPro on the DSF site or at fisound.
     

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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/10 16:36:00 (permalink)
    I believe I have packages from all the third party sources. AFAIK, if the package was purchased from Cakewalk, there is now a Command Center compatible installer which is RPro aware. Chad from Fisound has been active here helping people with their package. I suspect all the third party providers will ultimately be providing new installers.
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    Re: With the current Rapture Pro, do I need DimPro and Rapture Classic? 2015/12/14 14:26:53 (permalink)
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    Thanks again.  I guess DSF and other companies selling sound packs for Rapture and DimPro will have to reissue them for Rapture Pro.



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