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2015/11/25 11:24:12 (permalink)

Kingston alert!!!

Hi all unfortunately i have a bad experience with Kingston update.
After the update when i load some recent prjs i have an error like this:
Error.Program data not loaded
When i hit ok Sonar load the prjs but i have seen that Z3TA load the default patch (not the right patch).
Any problem like this?
 
Another bad things,when i load a z3TA 2.2 vst3 in a project i read 2.1 in the instrument tab but the info on the z3ta gui is 2.2 and i have a dropout with prjs that with jamaica were perfect.
Cake can you hear me?
btw thanks for the kingston update.

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/25 11:57:35 (permalink)
Sounds like other people are having similar problems regarding the synth/instrument updates...
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Huge-Instrument-Update-now-available-m3321398-p2.aspx#3322102
 
It seems like the installers are borking things out (or maybe just CCC).
 
Just pointing you to the main thread where it's being brought up so maybe you guys can cobble together something for Cakewalk to look at/fix.
 
I have not installed any of the Kingston stuff or instrument upgrades yet so thanks for the heads up. I'm thinking just upgrading Sonar itself to Kingston and waiting on the synth upgrades until this gets sorted might be my plan.
 
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 04:45:59 (permalink)
I am getting this problem as well actually. not sure what to do about it.
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 05:07:38 (permalink)
Hi
 
Me too with Z3TA+2.
Had to scroll through all the presets until I found the patch I used. 
Now type in the patch details in the track description in the inspector - will do this from now on as a backup for all projects.
 
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 05:31:50 (permalink)
Me too with Cakewalk sound center

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 05:59:08 (permalink)
Ahhhhhhh i'm not alone....i will send a mail to cake support

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 06:18:19 (permalink)
Done

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 07:32:43 (permalink)
:(

Guess this is yet another month I don't install. . Let's see how cakewalk fixes this. Hopefully not with a bunch of enhancments (out of the frying pan into the fire). Maybe the penny with drop for some when I mention regular stability updates with no new features introduced.

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 07:37:19 (permalink)
Have you tried the usual "fix" of reset and rescan the vsts?
 

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 07:39:28 (permalink)
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Have you tried the usual "fix" of reset and rescan the vsts?


Apparently since JP we no longer need to do this, but agreed, I would try that.

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 07:39:43 (permalink)
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Maybe the penny with drop for some when I mention regular stability updates with no new features introduced.



Can't fixes break other things as well? Steiny is rolling out fixes all the time with no new features and breaking new things as they go.

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 07:45:05 (permalink)
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Maybe the penny with drop for some when I mention regular stability updates with no new features introduced.


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Can't fixes break other things as well? Steiny is rolling out fixes all the time with no new features and breaking new things as they go.


It's much less likely, that's why they should be regular, and iterative. App developers do feature freezes to help improve stability, with a view to tackling regression bugs rapidly. If that isn't happening they are doing it wrong (maybe they don't tackle regression bugs first)...
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 07:52:24 (permalink)
I wanted to send some stems to the studio...I cant do that until I hear something back about SC and how they are introducing their synths to Rapture. I dont want to touch anything. But they are taking time to get back to us.

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 07:56:10 (permalink)
What new features were there this release? This was all about optimisations, no?
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 08:00:44 (permalink)
They say it runs faster but I think it runs faster if you have over 16gb...i'm running 6 but eventually I will go 32gb

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 08:11:04 (permalink)
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What new features were there this release? This was all about optimisations, no?


Optimizations/performance improvements are enhancements not bug fixes and certainly would not happen during a feature freeze.

Well one is VST engine improvements handling mono. By the look of it this it may have broken some third party plugins which had previously worked around the issue, at least that's how I interpreted cakewalks post.

Regardless not complaining yet, cakewalk needs to be given a chance to put in a rapid regression fix or two, but it is Thanksgiving..
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 08:26:17 (permalink)
We don't do regression fixes unless it is a major break that affects multiple people so please don't assume that every drop will have regression fixes. Plugin compatibility problems are always a moving target since we often have to work around bugs in plugins. These are rarely done in (intra-month) regression updates.
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 08:29:52 (permalink)
Back to the original thread any idea what the problems are here are Noel? From what you are writing I am assuming you are accessing the impact here as minimal (e.g. installers, patch problems), or perhaps it's a trivial issue/unrelated to Sonar?
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 08:40:30 (permalink)
I'm waiting in anticipation because I don't like roll backs and rolls forwards...it;s a little bit of a waste of my time. I hope I do not have to wait for one month for it to be resolved!

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 09:51:43 (permalink)
Rolling back takes only some ten seconds if you still have the installer for Jamaica Plain in the download path.

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 10:26:30 (permalink)
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Rolling back takes only some ten seconds if you still have the installer for Jamaica Plain in the download path.


Indeed. But detecting the issue, attempting to diagnose and reproduce it so hopefully it can get fixed (stopped doing that so much, waste of time), and deciding which version to roll back (takes yer poison, what can you 'live' with) is a waste of time, and thank gawd I haven't used JP recording enhancements much otherwise I would have been stuck (JP unstable for me, a confirmed issue). Guess I'll stick with ipswitch update 1 and roll back again to Gloucester. Snakes and ladders... I'm glad I have my eye on the ball here (not sure what people who don't read the forums would do) and appreciate other peoples feedback feeding me with helpful information before I take the plunge.
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 12:18:37 (permalink)
As a very experienced application developer, it is not unusual for some bugs to rear their ugly heads upon release of a new version of software.   The issue becomes more of how many bugs and how serious are they?  If a company releases new software that renders the product non-functional or severly hampers its overall operation, that would be considered a Severity 1 or 2 problem. I have NOT seen CW do this (yet).  It is IMPOSSIBLE to regression test EVERYTHING in the world of software development no matter how many people are on the testing side   Also many tests tend to be automated and they try to cover MOST of the primary and many of the less then primary operations.   I am sure CW has many many use cases that are designed to ensure stability in 95% of the system but some problems will still get through and scenarios that maybe weren't obvious and go untested could sometimes be affected.   This bug would likely not even be considered even a Sev 2 as there appears to be a workaround but still  might be a high priority Sev 3 (functionality effect but work around exists) if it is likely to effect enough people.  It is most likely if the issue is able to be replicated, they will fix it quickly because CW definitely in my opinion really tries to make sure their users are taken care of.   There isn't a software company in the world that doesn't have similar issues with every new release.   What separates the good from the bad companies is how well the react to those issues.   For me, I always wait a week or two before loading the latest new version because I have noticed CW almost always providing a patch update a week or two after their release launches which I think is a very much in line with market expectations.  There are not significant enough issues where a feature freeze is necessary and if there were, we would all be looking at some other DAW because that level of quality would not be tolerated.   I am also sure that Cakewalk likely prioritizes production issues over new content so while new development goes on, field issue will take precedence and developers hopefully realigned to fix the issues before moving back to the new stuff.   Again though, it depends on the severity and actual user impacts the problem has.  Cakewalk, am I close here?

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 12:49:08 (permalink)
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As a very experienced application developer, it is not unusual for some bugs to rear their ugly heads upon release of a new version of software.   The issue becomes more of how many bugs and how serious are they?  If a company releases new software that renders the product non-functional or severly hampers its overall operation, that would be considered a Severity 1 or 2 problem. I have NOT seen CW do this (yet).  It is IMPOSSIBLE to regression test EVERYTHING in the world of software development no matter how many people are on the testing side   Also many tests tend to be automated and they try to cover MOST of the primary and many of the less then primary operations.   I am sure CW has many many use cases that are designed to ensure stability in 95% of the system but some problems will still get through and scenarios that maybe weren't obvious and go untested could sometimes be affected.   This bug would likely not even be considered even a Sev 2 as there appears to be a workaround but still  might be a high priority Sev 3 (functionality effect but work around exists) if it is likely to effect enough people.  It is most likely if the issue is able to be replicated, they will fix it quickly because CW definitely in my opinion really tries to make sure their users are taken care of.   There isn't a software company in the world that doesn't have similar issues with every new release.   What separates the good from the bad companies is how well the react to those issues.   For me, I always wait a week or two before loading the latest new version because I have noticed CW almost always providing a patch update a week or two after their release launches which I think is a very much in line with market expectations.  There are not significant enough issues where a feature freeze is necessary and if there were, we would all be looking at some other DAW because that level of quality would not be tolerated.   I am also sure that Cakewalk likely prioritizes production issues over new content so while new development goes on, field issue will take precedence and developers hopefully realigned to fix the issues before moving back to the new stuff.   Again though, it depends on the severity and actual user impacts the problem has.  Cakewalk, am I close here?




Agree with pretty much everything you say here.  Esp "What separates the good from the bad companies is how well they react to those issues."  I would also how it get's packaged is critical (i.e. with yet more enhancements?).
 
This bit though...
 
" I always wait a week or two before loading the latest new version because I have noticed CW almost always providing a patch update a week or two after their release launches which I think is a very much in line with market expectations."
 
I do the same here. And agree.
 
When cakewalk does this they do a pretty good job, but I didn't see anything happen here with Jamaica Plain where there were quite a few serious issues, and I'm seeing less of it. I'm continuously being frustrated that regression fixes are getting packages with enhancements leading me to stick with the current version I have for months.
 
So I would disagree here, but I totally see the point, however I really need a stable version of Sonar with no big issues to get in my way, and month after month I'm given a choice of what I should cope with or not, and yes I might be considering another DAW if the situation continues (not to be facetious or anything). Pity because I think Sonar is a great product. I certainly was pretty optimistic about the situation when Platinum came out but getting less so.
 
I appreciate I may be in the minority in these forums when it comes to vocalizing this opinion, but outside the Sonar forums I see a different story. A lot of people I notice are worried about making comments like this for fear of being shouted down, the reputation is that these are helpful forums until somebody says something which can be deemed or labelled as anti-sonar, even when they are not trying to be. People have messaged me outside of the forums and I do appreciate it, thankyou...
 
So anyway let's hope this thread continues into a sensible discussion...
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 13:51:00 (permalink)
To add balance, just installed Kingston - looks good so far, better than JP. Maybe this is the one... TBC. One thing I didn't do it update all the Rapture Pro samples yet. That's something I'm frightened about...
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 14:49:18 (permalink)
@icontakt:
Is it possible to revert to JS but still install the new drum replacer download that came with K?
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 15:07:27 (permalink)
Mine's messed-up too!
 
The updates all went through apparently fine, but now when I start with a project started in JP, VST scan tells me 70 plugins have been removed (!?) and then I get a complete crash!
 
Really not good. I've only just come back to Sonar after not buying since v8.3. Looks like I should have stayed where I was!!!

How am I supposed to fit my entire system specs into 255 characters? Is this the dark ages?! Maybe I should try some Haiku...
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 15:09:21 (permalink)
Even Crash Reporter doesn't work!
 
I submitted the report, and received a confirmation email, yet the link says I have no reports!!!

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 15:18:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jb101 2015/11/26 20:24:55
ALEX, i think u need a psychiatrist. You post about a thousand times how crap everything is and say thank god i read the forums, i'm rolling back to gloucester. i won't be updating this month.
 
then two minutes later. ok, i just updated to kingston. seems solid.
 
seriously, STFU you weirdo!!!
 
Edited because it was inflammatory to others. Good luck guys. 
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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 15:55:11 (permalink)
Doktor Avalanche
A lot of people I notice are worried about making comments like this for fear of being shouted down, the reputation is that these are helpful forums until somebody says something which can be deemed or labelled as anti-sonar, even when they are not trying to be.


^^^^
There you go... The sad thing is that comment will be allowed, and the thread will end up deteriating most likely...
 
EDITED TO GET RID OF OFFENDING QUOTE FROM LAST POST ABOVE.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/29 15:20:22

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Re: Kingston alert!!! 2015/11/26 16:09:16 (permalink)
Esto lo he comentado en otro hilo,pero creo que es bueno sumar opiniones, he tenido problemas al exportar.
Pues, despues de Mucho intentarlo y no queria Que Lo CONSEGUIR, Una PASE regresión una Jamaica, y la exportacion me ha funcionado a la primera, no se si que sera el Proyecto ESTABA En Esta actualizacion .....

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