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2015/11/26 01:54:18 (permalink)

Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME!

So, excited about the new Zeta 2 version, I eagerly downloaded it, anticipating some of the new features.  I played with the stand alone and it works wonderfully.  I started a new session and noticed that instead of being a VST2, it's now a VST3.  Not entirely sure what the difference is, but, therein lies the problem.  I loaded an OLD session, and I get several Error: Program Load Data Failed.  
 
I checked the Cakewalk Content folder (which is NOT on my C drive) and everything was there.  I then looked in my 64bit VST folders, and saw Zeta 2 in there, and it's got the extension of VST3.  I'm thinking my old sessions are looking for the old VST2 file.  

To test, I uninstalled it, struggled in finding the old Cakewalk Store downloads, put my 2.1 back on, and everything worked again.  Can anyone help me figure out why 2.2 won't work with my previous sessions?  
 
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/26 02:24:05 (permalink)
Same here, but for me it's even worse since I make all my presets myself and never save them :(. For me a preset is a one time only and I make new ones for every project I start, now all my songs using ZETA+ 2 is corrupt.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/26 11:20:20 (permalink)
Pan, for you, this shouldn't be too hard.  Uninstall 2.2.  Go back to 2.1.  Go to Plug In Manager, export your patches.  Then install 2.2.  Import them back in.  My friend Bob Bergen told me about this step.  However, my loss is that I used stock presets.  I may have to go through all my tracks save each preset as a custom, and then do this process.  I'm hoping the bakers can fix this on their end so I don't have to do this.  It will literally take me weeks. 
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/26 16:36:37 (permalink)
Does everybody have this issue, or just some of us?
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/26 17:39:16 (permalink)
Does everybody have this issue, or just some of us?

 
From what I'm reading it seems like an issue between the synth updates and Kingston. I didn't update my Z3ta+2 and have not seen this.

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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 09:04:18 (permalink)
I am having this problem too.   Very annoying if you ask me, they should prepare us for things like this.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 13:04:22 (permalink)
I have the issue as well. Loading any pre-2.2 song results in "Error: Program data load failed" and Z3ta loading the default program. Reported to Cakewalk. I hesitate to do the work around of uninstalling 2.2 and reinstalling 2.1 hoping there will be a fix sometime soon.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 13:52:37 (permalink)
I can now confirm...

STEPS to repro:


1) Record a part in Z3TA+2 in Ipswitch Update 1. Save and freeze synth.
2) Update Z3TA+2 to latest.
3) Update to Kingston (may not be necessary)
4) Play part - observe it plays fine (as synth still frozen).
5) Unfreeze synth - get Error: Program data load failed. Patch is now reset.


This is a BAD bug! (Makes this update useless for existing users).
Can Cakewalk at least give us a workaround here?.
 
Cheers...
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/27 14:15:27

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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 14:05:21 (permalink)
The other question is how do you roll back from.
 
Installing old Z3TA+2 manually (not via CCC) and then updating via CCC.
 
Don't see a rollback option in CCC.
So we have to uninstall and reinstall?
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 14:15:16 (permalink)
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 15:29:12 (permalink)
Yes.  You have to uninstall it via Control Panel and then install from the original purchase you made.  That's where I am at right now.  I'm done beta testing it until they can fix it.  I'm a bit flustered with this.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 16:05:11 (permalink)
Midiboy I'm done beta testing it until they can fix it.  I'm a bit flustered with this.


Welcome to my world. Expect somebody along shortly to tell us to stop complaining and start making music.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 17:32:15 (permalink)
Stop complaining and make music. '-)
 
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 20:25:06 (permalink)
 
Someone has to ask ...
 
Did anyone actually try this update before releasing it ?
 
(this is unfortunately not the first time this thought has crossed my mind)
 
 

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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 21:10:00 (permalink)
Paul P
 
Someone has to ask ...
 
Did anyone actually try this update before releasing it ?
 
(this is unfortunately not the first time this thought has crossed my mind)
 
 

 
I'm pretty sure no one tried Rapture Pro before it was released (The original . . . and the worst), or it's subsequent updates that followed, so . . . 
 
What's it now about 8 months since release, nearly time for Rapture Pro 2, so maybe that will be it for Rapture Pro, and better luck next time perhaps ?
 
Z3TA 2 might be out of luck though, not sure it will get a '3'
 
I like Z3TA 2 (and Dim Pro, and Rapture) but I dare not install this update for Z3TA 2, it is and has been running fine for a long time, and if the past is any indication, and the feedback that has been surrounding this 'update' is anything to go by, that's not going to change.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/27 21:24:06 (permalink)
I'm going to be patient on this one.. It's good news Z3TA+2 was at least not abandoned. I was pretty convinced until last week that it was. Yes the fixes took too long to get out (years) and after this patch we are still seeing issues, not surprised esp with the enhancements supplied in this release (was surprised to see this as well) and past history.

I am hoping the development strategy has been changed now to be more inline with Sonar. In Z3TA+2's favour here enhancements aren't really required now (sadly Rap Pro still needs them mainly with sample file management, but at least there is a limited scope). Hopefully there will now be a few iterations of bug fixes to get this product finally finished, hopefully they will be a lot speedier, maybe their next generation of plugins won't get such a bumpy ride.

In the long term cakewalk made a good move here, we just aren't going to see instant results. Further patience (once again) is required. At least communication from cakewalk has been good since this patch, we have to let them have a holiday now. I do question why they didn't do it next week but whatever.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 03:05:10 (permalink)
  Oh dear, we heard about an update to z3ta+2, wow after all this time, so i came to check it out. It seems to be rather uninviting from what I have read here so far in the various threads, and might I say a little confusing. Now it seems Cakewalk Command Center is involved, and I'm not touching that with a 40ft pole, it has quite the reputation on other forums I frequent, and it isn't a good one.
 
  I think we will pass on this update, z3ta+2 works good enough for our purposes as it is, and I really don't want things to get messed up as it seems will likely be the result from what I have read. Oh well.

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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 09:50:48 (permalink)
I too am having this issue - I'm another one who doesn't save the patches I make as they are usually all store in the project. I just tweak the presets until they work for my tracks for each song and very rarely reuse patches which I create.
 
I use Z3ta+2 in nearly every track so this is a BIG issues for me right now as none of them will load properly.
 
Please Bakers - Help us out here!
 
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 11:21:05 (permalink)
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Yes the fixes took too long to get out (years) and after this patch we are still seeing issues, ...



Issues ?  It doesn't even work
 
Your patience is remarkable, out of character even.
 

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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 11:49:53 (permalink)
Just uninstalled 2.2 and reinstalled 2.1 - Working again so will avoid the update until I hear of a fix.
 
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 11:52:40 (permalink)
Doktor Avalanche
Yes the fixes took too long to get out (years) and after this patch we are still seeing issues, ...


Paul P
Issues ?  It doesn't even work
 
Your patience is remarkable, out of character even.
 


Well ultimately patching Z3TA+2 was the right thing to do, they could have just let it slide.Whilst this is a PITA I don't want to seem ungrateful. The reputation I get is normally from people who polarise my views rather than what I actually write so I'm not surprised it seems out of character... Thx.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 15:39:45 (permalink)
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I'm going to be patient on this one.. It's good news Z3TA+2 was at least not abandoned. I was pretty convinced until last week that it was. Yes the fixes took too long to get out (years) and after this patch we are still seeing issues, not surprised esp with the enhancements supplied in this release (was surprised to see this as well) and past history.

I am hoping the development strategy has been changed now to be more inline with Sonar. In Z3TA+2's favour here enhancements aren't really required now (sadly Rap Pro still needs them mainly with sample file management, but at least there is a limited scope). Hopefully there will now be a few iterations of bug fixes to get this product finally finished, hopefully they will be a lot speedier, maybe their next generation of plugins won't get such a bumpy ride.

Agreed. I hope Cakewalk does it right now, and really tries to nail out the issues. There are a lot of them, still. Z3TA 2 is a killer synth, if CW gets the bugs fixed, then it's right in line with the best synths out there. Feature wise it already beats everything in my VST Folder. So please Cakewalk, don't do things by halves, this synth really deserves it. :)
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 16:19:26 (permalink)
Hi All,
 
I assume most of us were doing Thanksgiving related stuff, so sorry about the lack of response to this. Is this happening in any DAW where Z3TA+ 2 was in the project as a VST2?
 
If it's just Sonar, a POSSIBLE workaround (I'm really not sure if it will work at the moment) might be to change the file extension from .vst3 to .dll. That way Sonar might pick it up as a VST2 and potentially resolve your issue (not sure about other DAWs.) 
 
Then again maybe it's not the best idea to mess around with files...
 
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post edited by John Joseph [Cakewalk] - 2015/11/28 16:32:50
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 16:26:16 (permalink)
Thanks John for taking time to comment during your break. Will try tomorrow. Get back to the Turkey I suggest you all deserve a break anyway,and I need beer.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 16:34:54 (permalink)
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Hi All,
 
I assume most of us were doing Thanksgiving related stuff, so sorry about the lack of response to this. Is this happening in any DAW where Z3TA+ 2 was in the project as a VST2?
 
If it's just Sonar, a POSSIBLE workaround (I'm really not sure if it will work at the moment) might be to change the file extension from .vst3 to .dll. That way Sonar might pick it up as a VST2 and potentially resolve your issue (not sure about other DAWs.) 
 
Then again maybe it's not the best idea to mess around with files...
 
- John


It doesn't matter VST3 or VST2. I mean I didn't do VST rescan when I install 2.2, so it tried to load VST2, and it produced error.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 16:51:30 (permalink)
Yeah, at first I thought it was the VST3 as opposed to being 2, but I had the options to replace VST2 with VST3 when available.  I unchecked that and the VST2 still has the issues.   Basically, long story short...the 2.2 version doesn't pick up whatever patch you had selected in previous sessions with 2.1.  Not sure if it affects other DAWs.  That's not an option for me to check.  
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 17:55:55 (permalink)

 
Is this happening in any DAW where Z3TA+ 2 was in the project as a VST2?



Yes, Ableton Live here. I suspect the problem is the 2.2 version is not reading the Z3TA+ 2 program data out of the application files (.cwp, .als, etc.) correctly.
post edited by adrian.crossan - 2015/11/28 18:08:41
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/28 18:41:19 (permalink)
yep. i just had to roll back to 2.1 because 2.2 doesn't work.  it is wicked broken
 
 

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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/29 06:51:34 (permalink)
Same thing here. Actually I have two z3ta+2 installations: the normal and the Virus-mod. I'm having the same issue with "normal" z3ta+2 with older projects, but Virus-mod loads just fine (obviously it was not updated as it sits in it's own separate folder). I suggest if you are experienced user you could try a temporary workaround (WARNING1: I have not tried it yet, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK, and I don't know how it will behave with VST3's. WARNING2: since it's a temporary workaround, all your projects done WITH this workaround will have missing z3ta+2 synths AFTERWARDS, when the official fix for 2.2 will be available. To me, no big deal because you can save needful patches if you need them after said fix, but YMMV). 
 
0. Back up your installations, etc, etc. I suggest backing up
- "Cakewalk Content\Z3ta+2",
- your whole "VstPlugins" folder(s)
- and VST3 folder(s) which sit in "C:\Program Files\Common Files".
Please keep in mind that on x64 systems there are two "Program Files" folders, for x64 and x86. I will be referencing to x64 paths only to keep things clearer and since I never installed x86 versions of z3ta.
 
1. Since Sonar allows multiple instances of the same VSTis, you can copy your NEW 2.2 z3ta+2 to a folder in VstPlugins (say, "z3ta+2_new"). Now you will have two z3ta folders in your VstPlugins path. It should look like this:
"C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\VstPlugins\Z3TA+ 2"
"C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\VstPlugins\Z3TA+ 2_new"
(Obviously, if you have a custom Vstplugins path, do it there instead).
 
2. Go to your "VstPlugins\Z3TA+ 2_new" folder and rename the dll from "Z3TA+ 2_64.dll" to "Z3TA+ 2_64_new.dll". Now (might be unnecessary! but I would have done that to be sure) go to "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\Z3TA+ 2" and do the same there.
 
3. Roll back z3ta+2 to 2.1 (it will roll back z3ta+2 sitting in the default folder, but will leave your "z3ta+2_new" unchanged).
 
Now, you could skip steps 4 and 5 and try and go straight to 6, but if doesn't work, do the steps 4 and 5.
 
4. Go to "Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2" folder and copy everything (patches, arpeggiator, etc) from it to:
"C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\VstPlugins\Z3TA+ 2"
"C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\VstPlugins\Z3TA+ 2_new"
"C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\Z3TA+ 2" (again, might be unnecessary - but still).
 
5. Delete contents of "Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2" OR BETTER just rename it to some other name so Z3ta+2 would not find it's content there and would search in it's VstPlugins folders instead.
 
6. Start Sonar and perform a VST scan. You should now have two Z3ta+2 instances, one called Z3ta+2 64, and the other Z3ta+2 64_new.
How it should work: your older projects will load "Z3ta+2 64.dll" from "VstPlugins\Z3TA+ 2" which is v2.1, and you can try your new "Z3ta+2 64_new" which is v2.2.
 
Now, since I personally almost never return to my older projects AND I definitely love the new Z3ta+2 (the fix for the nasty LFO sync/waveshaper bug is finally here, yay!), I don't see the point of doing it myself. Sorry about that, you'll have to test it on your own. But - again - my Virusmod Z3ta+2 loads fine, so this should work. Please comment if any steps are unclear how to perform them. I hope this can be helpful to someone.
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Re: Zeta+ 2 v2.2 major problem for me. PLEASE HELP ME! 2015/11/29 08:08:17 (permalink)
I have been so caught up in things I have not even opened the new Z3TA yet. Does it have a VST2 version as well? I am wondering if disabling the "VST3 migration" in SONAR preferences would allow for older projects to be loaded with the VST2 version (i.e., SONAR wouldn't "swap it out," but use the newer version), but grasping at straws here.

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