Snehankur
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Delay - need guidance
I have a Vocal Track I have a bus - getting from vocal , I have applied Delay on that bus. Both tracks output to Master. I am trying to get the delay output only when main vocal completes a phrase and suppress the delay when main vocal starts. Please guide. Thanks & Regards SG
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/28 05:58:15
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☄ Helpfulby morganfm71 2015/11/30 10:43:19
Normally I automate the delay in situations like this. Usually there is some sort of 'input' value which you can switch off most of the time and just raise the value at the end of a phrase. You can probably manually draw in the envelope yourself in an automation lane. You may need to automate the delay output level (or the bus output level) as well if the delay sometimes repeats for too long. Some delays come with built in 'ducking' capability and while that does help if used live, I don't think it's an adequate replacement for manually automating the input and output to the delay when working in a DAW.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/28 12:13:24
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Split the clip, and put the vocal clip on a new track. this way it only delays the vocal you want. of course you need to put the sends on the vocal track. just onther way to skin the a cat.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/28 12:43:34
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☄ Helpfulby Snehankur 2015/12/01 23:50:14
Volume automation on the bus. You'll want to bring the delay in gradually, over a quarter- to a half-second, to avoid an abrupt change. It's the kind of thing you want to draw in by hand and audition, rather than recording the automation. Check to make sure the delay you're using doesn't have a wet/dry mix knob, because if it does you can just automate that control, eliminating the need for a separate bus.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/28 12:55:35
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Much easier than what I was going to suggest, lol.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/28 15:20:46
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If you mean effect without automation, put a side-chain compressor after delay, and set up send from vocal track to this compressor's side-chain input, set it to heavy compression (without gain up).
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/28 18:19:27
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or split the clip and insert the effect on the clip(s) you want the delay on. No need to place the on a separate track unless this helps you manage this.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/29 01:13:58
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Situations like that... I honestly use the old but still good Sonitus Delay on the bus... Turn it to 100% wet mix so only thing heard is the pure echoes.. Then automate in at the end of ur phrases.. i regularly do this things with reverbs as well to help enhance the end of a "Bar" as we say in hip-hop/rap. Also in the settings... sry if im insulting intelligence, u prolly dont need the default like 50 feedback. its good to tweak those settings a bit.
post edited by Woodyoflop - 2015/11/29 01:26:04
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/29 01:39:50
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Adq If you mean effect without automation, put a side-chain compressor after delay, and set up send from vocal track to this compressor's side-chain input, set it to heavy compression (without gain up).
Yeah, I was going to suggest that!
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/30 01:47:01
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Can you please guide on side-chaining ? [I mean Screen shot if possible] I am asking too much help !!
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/30 10:37:26
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/12/01 01:32:11
My experience has been that automating the track send works best for me. That way only the audio I choose has echo applied to it. I've tried the ducking method and found it to be okay, but it I am feeling particular, I will definitely go for track send automation.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/30 16:32:16
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/12/01 01:32:33
Having the delay on the buss which the vocal track outputs to is no different from having the delay as an insert effect on the track. You might be better off running the send to it's own bus in a send/return configuration (especially if you want more than just one vocal track to be effected) and bring the delay up in parallel. Automate the bus volume to bring the effect in and out, or automate the send levels on individual tracks.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/30 16:43:31
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/11/30 17:45:54
If you automate the buss volume, rather than the track send, you may get echos from any material present earlier in the track. This may not be what you desire. I often only wish for the final word, or even the final syllable to have echo applied to it. Using automation on the track send facilitates this for me.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/11/30 16:58:50
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Yeah that can happen. I quite often split a single word into it's own clip and process that
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/12/01 00:10:09
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I have started understanding this slowly.... Thank you all for helping me...
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Re: Delay - need guidance
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☄ Helpfulby Snehankur 2015/12/01 23:49:25
See "Craig Anderton's - Tip Of The Week No.64". This shows 'gating' of a reverb on a vocal track. Just swap the reverb for a delay and you have what you're after. I think Craig's tips are great, and often find things there that are a genuine help in my everyday workflow.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
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☄ Helpfulby Snehankur 2015/12/01 23:49:20
Another resource that walks through the setup is this blog post by Dan Gonzalez. The end result is "We are creating a delay and reverb effect that only occurs when the vocalist is NOT singing," which seems to be your question in the OP.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/12/01 23:38:12
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!! METTELUS !! Exactly shown in the blog what I wanted to do.. Thanks a ton to everyone giving me time and suggestion.
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Re: Delay - need guidance
2015/12/02 07:54:49
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It was all Dan's doing, I just remembered reading it  . That same principle works well for many different FX, just tailor the chain to what meets your needs.
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