Helpful Reply[Solved]Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem

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2015/11/25 10:48:32 (permalink)

[Solved]Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem

This is my first post here. I bought Rapture Pro yesterday. There are many nice piano sounds inside Rapture Pro, but there are little problem too. Rapture Pro does not respond my Roland Sustain pedal when i play it with my Roland Keyboard via midi caple. I don't get it. It respond it when i try play Rapture Pro with my Computer Keyboard and push Sustain Pedal down. Very strange. Maybe i should start practicing Computer Keyboard playing or maybe there are somewhere some solution for this problem. Anyone? 
 
Ps. I didin't have this kind of  problems with other programs. (Z3ta+2, old Rapture, Dimension Pro, Cakewalk Sound Center, Lounge Lizard Session 4, TruePianos etc)
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/26 05:40:13 (permalink)
I forgot to say my specs: PC Windows 8.1, i7-4790, 3,60GHz, x64 processor, 16Gt Ram, Audio: M-Audio M-Track
 
Is there anyone else who had a similar problem with sustain pedal on Rapture Pro?
 

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/27 05:37:37 (permalink)
Any idea how to add Rapture Pro some sustain manually because Rapture Pro don't like to respond my physical sustain pedal?

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/27 10:51:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby odyssey70 2015/11/27 15:52:00
CC64 can be drawn as either an envelop in the track view or in the controller pane in the PRV.
 
Recently another user reported their sustain pedal suddenly stopped working in SONAR. It turned out Controller was not selected in the Record section of Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording.
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/27 15:53:15 (permalink)
Thanx. Have to try it some day. 
 
Rapture Pro still need some fixing.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/29 02:58:09 (permalink)
Which Roland keyboard. Is the pedal on/off only, or continuous? Some synths respond incorrectly to All Notes Off that some old Roland keyboards (like my RD-300s) send on last key up, letting it override sustain. Actually, TruePianos has this issue. I don't usually use Rapture for pianos, but I just tried several in Rapture Pro, and they responded correctly to sustain from the RD-300s, so I'm not sure what the problem might be in your case, but I don't think it's a defect in Rapture Pro. I checked with continuous pedal from my RD-700NX, and that worked fine as well.
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 09:46:58 (permalink)
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Which Roland keyboard. Is the pedal on/off only, or continuous? Some synths respond incorrectly to All Notes Off that some old Roland keyboards (like my RD-300s) send on last key up, letting it override sustain. Actually, TruePianos has this issue. I don't usually use Rapture for pianos, but I just tried several in Rapture Pro, and they responded correctly to sustain from the RD-300s, so I'm not sure what the problem might be in your case, but I don't think it's a defect in Rapture Pro. I checked with continuous pedal from my RD-700NX, and that worked fine as well.




"Is the pedal on/off only, or continuous?"
 
Both. There are switch that i can choose witch one.
My sustain pedal is Roland DP-10.
 
I have tried my Roland BK-5 and M-Audio keyboard with that pedal. In either, Rapture Pro don't responding sustain pedal. I just don't know what i'm doing wrong.
 
With TruePianos it work's great and with everyone else. Only Rapture Pro, nothing happens.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 10:22:54 (permalink)
This is probably not necessary to say, but not all rapture pro patches sustain indefinitely.

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 10:47:11 (permalink)
It probably is necessary. The several pianos i tried all worked, but some had such a long release programmed and such a steep decay in the sustain phase that the difference was not as clear as usual. So it would be good to know which patches we're talking about, especially if any are not pianos.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 12:12:58 (permalink)
I just try to play Electric Guitars-Almost together patch from Rapture Pro with my mouse. I click my mouse bottom of Rapture Pro(that keyboard view) and keep my sustain pedal down and Rapture Pro responds and i hear sustain. My sustain pedal works great in Rapture Pro if i play it with my mouse.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 12:49:59 (permalink)
That one also sustains as expected for me. I really have no idea what would cause the problem you're describing that wouldn't affect other synths as well. Still, it might be worth putting a MIDI monitor utility like MIDI-OX on the input port to see what's coming from the keyboard when you play notes and sustain at the same time. Possibly it's sending something that non-programmable synths don't respond to.
 
Also, that Almost Together patch is a Dim Pro patch, so maybe try loading it up in Dim Pro and seeing if you get the same behavior. 
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 15:47:55 (permalink)
Yes, how knows. I don't get it.
I also try Dim Pro and pedal works fine.
 
I also download MIDI-OX. I take some information on it: 
 
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
00005DF9 1 2 93 3C 3E 4 C 4 Note On
00005EDE 1 2 93 3C 00 4 C 4 Note Off
000063CF 1 2 B3 40 7F 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
000063CF 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 07 0F 33 F7
000064FE 1 2 93 3C 38 4 C 4 Note On
00006609 1 2 93 3C 00 4 C 4 Note Off
00006879 1 2 93 3C 3E 4 C 4 Note On
00006930 1 2 93 3C 00 4 C 4 Note Off
00006DA2 1 2 B3 40 00 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00006DA2 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 00 00 49 F7
DEVICE INFORMATION
IN: 1) BK-5
IN: 2) 2- MTrack External
OUT: 2) BK-5
In: 1) BK-5
Details/Chan: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,CM,RT,Sx
In: 2) 2- MTrack External
Details/Chan: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,CM,RT,Sx
In: MIDI-OX Events
Details/Chan: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,CM,RT,Sx
 

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 16:37:41 (permalink)
Hello odyssey70, I'm not able to readily reproduce your issue. It seems like there may be something specific to how your Roland controller is talking to Rapture Pro that is causing the problem. I'd recommend getting a hold of our Technical Support team who can take a more in-depth look at what's going on with your setup. 
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 16:40:21 (permalink)
Hmmm... the obvious question is what are the two SysX messages? The first one is being sent right after the pedal down so it could definitely be interfering with Sustain function. But a quick Google of the hex bytes matched only this thread.
 
Maybe try putting the Event Filter MIDI FX on the track to block all Sysx. Or possibly the free TenCrazy  SustainFix MFX has an option for this. Or check your keyboards's MIDI Implementation to find out what that is whether it can be suppressed.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/11/30 21:19:19 (permalink)
https://youtu.be/1ivae_PmdiU
 
I made a video looking for an event that might help explain, but I'm not sure I've helped at all.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/12/01 06:05:37 (permalink)
Thank you very much Geoff and everyone. I still don't know what's wrong with my Roland keyboard and Rapture Pro, but when i watched your video Geoff i'll see that they don't communicate how they should be. So, i walk to my outdoor storage and i looking for my very old MidiPlus keyboard controller. I plug my Sustain pedal to MidiPlus controller. I switch that one to my M-Track audio card midi in and Rapture Pro and MidiPlus keyboard controller works like a dream :)
 
My old pal is back and works great with Rapture Pro and sustain pedal.
 
My brand new Roland BK-5. Shame on you.
 
 

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/12/01 06:51:05 (permalink)
I still check the both keyboard controllers with MIDI-OX. I found one different. MidiPlus use Channel 1 and Roland BK-5 use Channel 4 when they sending data. 
 
MidiPlus controller:
 
0002A333 1 2 90 3E 00 1 D 4 Note Off
0002A3C9 1 2 90 3C 00 1 C 4 Note Off
00030665 1 2 B0 40 7F 1 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00030699 1 2 B0 40 00 1 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00030D14 1 2 90 34 51 1 E 3 Note On
00030DBA 1 2 90 34 00 1 E 3 Note Off
00031020 1 2 90 2F 49 1 B 2 Note On
 
Roland BK-5
 
00024BCC 1 2 93 3C 4F 4 C 4 Note On
00024C10 1 2 93 3B 00 4 B 3 Note Off
00024C93 1 2 93 3C 00 4 C 4 Note Off
00024E03 1 2 B3 40 7F 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00024E0E 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 07 0F 33 F7
00024F6D 1 2 B3 40 00 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00024F74 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 00 00 49 F7
00025151 1 2 B3 40 7F 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00025156 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 07 0F 33 F7
00025248 1 2 B3 40 00 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00025250 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 00 00 49 F7
0002581E 1 2 B3 40 7F 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00025825 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 07 0F 33 F7
0002592B 1 2 B3 40 00 4 --- CC: Pedal (Sustain)
00025932 1 2 F0 Buffer: 17 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 10 00 00 54 12 18 00 02 15 08 00 00 00 49 F7

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/12/01 12:28:50 (permalink)
Rapture, like most non-multitimbral soft synths, should respond to data on any channel by default. I would still guess the SysX messages from the BK-5 are the culprit. But I think it it would be a Rapture issue that it's not ignoring SysX intended for some other device.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/12/01 13:49:24 (permalink)
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I would still guess the SysX messages from the BK-5 are the culprit.




Yes. This could be the reason why Rapture Pro don't give a sustain. TruePiano and others still works with Roland BK and with these SysX messages. 
 
I have to check if there are possibility turn off these kind messages from BK-5 some how.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/12/01 16:46:40 (permalink)
There is a midi filter plugin you could use that might hide those messages from Rapture if they are getting in the way. I've done that where I identified a message that caused a problem.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/12/03 03:58:35 (permalink)
FWIW, I too am having issues with the sustain pedal not working with an Alesis Q88 in Rapture Session. It works fine in Dimension Pro. Rapture completely ignores it. The issue is also in the other sections of Rapture as well.
 
Not a big deal as I rarely use Rapture but if Sonar is going solely to Rapture then it needs to be fixed.

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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2015/12/04 14:19:42 (permalink)
 
Finally i found the solution to my sustain problem. I really had to change midi channel before this problem resolved. 
 
First i have to change custom to all that i can see midi channel box. There was 'None' selected. I change it to channel 1 and now everything work as it should be with my Roland BK-5 keyboard. Thank you all for your help. I appreciate it.
 
 Edit: Red box is little bit wrong place. Sorry. Midi Channel box is one before it. There is letter c. B is midi bank.
 
 
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2016/01/20 14:38:26 (permalink)
WOW - thanks so much for your post.  I have no idea how my settings changed but this is exactly what happened to me too.  Marked the box and my sustain pedal is back up and working.   Thx.
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2016/04/03 16:51:43 (permalink)
Sorry for the somewhat necropost here.
I'm new to Sonar, where did you go to change the midi channel?
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2016/04/04 00:04:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jarbcd 2016/04/04 00:22:59
Here is picture where to go. Hope it work. In blue box you must change it 'All'. And In little red box you change channel '1'.
 


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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2016/04/04 00:08:05 (permalink)
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Here is picture where to go. Hope it work. In blue box you must change it 'All'. And In little red box you change channel '1'.
 



It did work!! You rock man, thank you so much!!
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Re: Rapture Pro and Sustain pedal problem 2016/04/04 00:19:49 (permalink)
Great, i'm glad it's working now :) 

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