Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License.

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2015/11/26 17:01:51 (permalink)

Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License.

On request, I'm posting a little write-up I did about a month ago:
 
I have always had concerns about iLoK and have so far been unwilling to purchase any products with an iLok key. I simply don’t know anyone with an iLok who have not been locked out for extended periods of times and gotten very angry with PACE and their various “insurance/replacement” programs.
 
The generous HO Diamond deal convinced me to give it a try, and since a few have messaged me for my experiences, here they are.
 
Summary: Flawless – I’m impressed.
The installation was flawless and the installer one of the best I’ve ever used. I’m impressed given the complexity with the iLok system services. Everything worked the first time without fail.
 
Background
I purchased a 1 TB SSD and installed HO/D to the SSD. The system is a 4 core AMD with 16 GB of DDR3 meeting the recommended specs. I’m using it to run Sonar, Kontakt with Albion, Miroslav, Garritan CFX, and Pianoteq, so it’s acceptable while not recent.
 
Installation
I used the install link from the purchase email. I downloaded an installer dated 10/19/2015, i.e. 10 days old. The installer on disk was from August. The email also had a link to a video illustrating an install. I followed along until the video no longer matched installing from USB. The video was clearly for the new Cloud offering. I then switched to the instructions on the provided USB disk. There are a total of nearly 1.7M files. The copy for me took 13 hours, but I had mistakenly connected the USB drive to a slower port on the front.
 
The installer contains all the licensing, and allowed me to download and install the latest Play with one click. I had to redirect the licensing directory to the SSD folder where the various HO folders were located. I then activated with one click all four licenses as machine licenses. It took seconds.
 
The default setting of Play was Direct Sound. Changed that to ASIO.
 
Sound of the Instruments
I had read all sorts of things about how difficult it was to make HO sound “good”. So I was both curious and bit nervous where I would end up on the “hissy cat” to Thomas Bergersen spectrum.
 
I loaded up many different versions of the instruments, and I can only say that I’m impressed. The sampling is exquisite. I can hear the bow hit the strings, some of the little “scratchy” sounds in the violas, etc. The various mics give lots of possibility and the reverb engine is excellent.
 
HO is very different from the “smooth” orchestral libraries such as Albion and even Miroslav. However, the detail is just delightful and stunning. For the first time some of my music sounds like it’s being played by a person as opposed to just an instrument.
So while I have far to go to reach the Bergersen end of the spectrum, I’m very excited about the potential while recognizing that I’ve probably only touched 1% or less of the instruments and settings. It’s obviously very different from my Miroslav, and a quick “port” of a Miroslav composition using Sonar will definitely need some work before it sounds balanced and elegant again. I was recognizable though noticeably different.
 
Performance of Play:
Loading of samples is quick and comparable to Albion etc. 5-10 seconds for a multi sample. CPU load is a tad heavier that e.g. Sampletank or Kontakt/Albion. I saw about 25% to 35% CPU utilization with six Play tracks loaded. No pops or clicks.
 
In summary: Perfect install experience, excellent sound, lots of work ahead.
 
I hope this was helpful and answers some of the previous questions
 
Allan
post edited by AllanH - 2015/11/26 17:16:59

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    AllanH
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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/26 17:02:44 (permalink)
    Follow-up after extensive use of EWQLHO/Diamond
     
    I thought it would be instructive to also post my follow-up experiences.
     
    I think it’s useful to compare to e.g. Albion One. Albion One sounds fantastic out of the box, whereas Hollywood Orchestra takes some work to sound acceptable. I’ve seen many posts where people complain that it EWQL HO Strings, for instance, are terrible and sound nowhere near the demos.
     
    Here is my analogy: Albion One is like going to a restaurant and ordering a fine meal. It’s fantastic just the way it comes (“out of the box”). EWQL is more akin to buying the ingredients and then having to cook the meal yourself. Not surprisingly, an expertly prepared meal tastes better than the ingredients in their raw form.
     
    If you load EWQL Hollywood Orchestra and expect it sound one of the demos out of the box, you’ll be disappointed.
     
    In this case, both Albion One and HO are fantastic, but they are realistically not comparable and the skills it takes to use them are different.
     
    Regarding Play (the sample playback software) from EWQL: I have found the Play engine to be efficient and highly customizable. It handles load extremely well. In view of the amount of data being loaded I think it’s an incredible well coded piece of software (I know many disagree with this, but it’s been flawless for me).
     
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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/26 18:10:47 (permalink)
    Very nice discussion, Allen...
    As a songwriter using orchestral tools to spice up or provide ambience/undertones, the Albion/ProjectSam approach work much better for me.  I'm neither skilled enough nor patient enough to craft each "ingredient" in a song; I'm already writing the words, melody, and selecting the various ingredients as well as recording, mixing, and mastering.... oh, and gardening all day long to support my songwriting passion. 
     
    I'm glad there are specialists like PlugInGuru who provide me with wonderful spices.  I do consider the Albions and Sams to be like seedlings... As a gardener, I realized long ago the difference in time and expense between growing from seed vs seedling.  I abandoned EWQL orchestrals quite awhile ago although I'll still bring up their solo violins from time to time.
     
    I fully agree with you on ilok/play engines.  All the crap spewed about either is total nonsense these days.

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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/26 18:14:46 (permalink)
    There was a time when iLoks were a REAL PITA...not the iLok
    itself...but the Manager Software...but that was years ago...
    They've been pretty good for a while now...


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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/26 18:15:49 (permalink)
    Thanks, great information!
     
    If I'm right, the EW symfonic Orch Platinum or EW Hollywood Orch is not downloadable, you have to buy the HD right?
     
     

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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/26 22:18:03 (permalink)
    HO Platinum is on HD only as far as I know. Gold is definitely downloadable. The HD and associated shipping was included in my HO Diamond purchase price.
     
     

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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/27 02:59:16 (permalink)
    Yes, but it is shipped from USA and I live in Sweden, so there could be extra expences for that.

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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/27 08:43:37 (permalink)
    that would make a difference. There is also customs on imports.
    post edited by AllanH - 2015/11/27 08:56:06

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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/27 14:08:16 (permalink)
    Nice write-up Allan! You did the right thing by installing on an SSD. Even on a good 7200 rpm drive, load times are much slower.

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    Re: Review of installing EWQL HO Diamond with iLok Machine License. 2015/11/30 09:54:37 (permalink)
    I hear you on the work involved to make it sound "good". I'm used to Symphonic Orchestra, which also takes a bit of effort to get right, so I'm okay (so far) with HO. I've never tried Albion, though I would love to.
     
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