CWBRN-41961: Copy/pasting unique sets of grouped clips combines them into one mass group

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CWBRN-41961: Copy/pasting unique sets of grouped clips combines them into one mass group

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Just filed this, so no information back from CW yet..... CWBRN-41961
 
In S-PLAT Kingston x86 (as well as X3e), when copying and pasting more than one set of grouped clips at a time, the resulting new clips all share the same group number, i.e., copy/pasting Groups 1 & 2 creates two sets of clips both labeled Group 3.
 
In Sonar X2 and earlier, copying and pasting sets of grouped clips resulted in each new group having a unique number, i.e., copy/pasting Groups 1 & 2 creates Groups 3 & 4.
 
I'm not talking about linked clips - the option under Preferences>Edit to create linked clips is unchecked.
 
Here's the recipe to see what I'm getting at:
1. Group some clips

 
2. Copy and paste the group. Note the pasted clips have a new group number as expected.

 
3. Select both groups.

 
4. Copy and paste the two groups. Note the pasted clips have a new group number, but BOTH new groups have the SAME number. In X2 and all earlier versions of Sonar, the expected behavior is each group has a unique number.


100% reproducible, and clearly not a hardware-based issue. Maybe there's a sooper secret new option to determine how the above process numbers groups, but I don't see anything like that....
 
cheers!
 
System specs for the sake of argument: Win7 x64, Intel i7, 8GB RAM, SSD main drive, multiple HDDs for audio/storage/etc., RME Raydat
post edited by kicksville - 2016/04/27 23:19:47
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    kicksville
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2015/12/11 12:48:10 (permalink)
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    Anyone know how long it generally takes for the kind folks in support to review these problem reports?
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2015/12/13 05:57:22 (permalink)
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    Actually you can change the behavior, I did it recently. Got grouped drum clips from our drummer and had to copy it in my project. It did not keep the groupings until I changed the .ini File:
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X2&language=3&help=Arranging.22.html
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2015/12/13 12:09:12 (permalink)
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    Thanks, but I think you missed the point. When you copy/paste a single set of grouped clips, you get a new group, as expected. When you copy/paste multiple groups, ALL the new clips are put in a single large group, which is not how Sonar behaved in version X2 and earlier. Take a close look at the group numbers in the above pictures. The .INI tweak you pointed to does not address this....
     
    Here's a simple example of why this is a serious problem:
     
    Hypothetically, I have 16 measure multi-track drum recording, and I want to copy/paste that to create a 32 measure part. Then, I want to slip edit the last measure of the newly pasted section to insert a fill.
     
    First, I group the clips of original 16-measure riff, which gives me Group 1. There's a timing problem in measure 8, so I want to fix that before copying. I split the problem bar on either side, and adjust timing to taste. That leaves me with three groups: Group 1 (meas. 1-7), Group 2 (meas. 8), and Group 3 (meas. 9-16). All good.
     
    Now, I copy/paste the 16 measure chunk with its three groups, giving me a new section starting at measure 17. The new chunk still has three sets of clips: meas. 17-23, meas. 24, and meas. 25-32. BUT....they are ALL put into Group 4. If I slip edit the last measure like I'd planned, since all three sections are now part of the same group, they will all follow the edit. In other words, when I slip edit measure 32, the clips from meas. 17-23 will also change, as will the clips at meas. 24.
     
    With a more complex series of edits, this becomes a gigantic PITA. And considering I do these kinds of edits all the time, until this is addressed by the Bakers, I'm left with no choice but to do that work in X2 and only use S-Plat for final mixes.
    post edited by kicksville - 2016/01/16 12:31:25
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2015/12/14 02:44:08 (permalink)
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    Thats exactly whst the change in the .ini. file will change, if you copy the whole bunch of clip groups and you paste it, it gets same different groups, not all in one. Of course the two groups of clips are now linked somehow , because they share the same group numbers, this is also kind of annoying.
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2015/12/14 03:04:16 (permalink)
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    Ok, now I got it. Changing the copy behaviour does not adress the problem. What you describe is exactly what it annoying me too. You copy three groups and when you paste it, here is now way to get NEW three groups, only one for all or the same three groups (which produceds an unwanted link).
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2015/12/28 18:34:11 (permalink)
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    Just checked....I was wrong about X3. This bug is reproducible in X3e, but not in X2 and earlier. I edited the original post to reflect that....
    post edited by kicksville - 2015/12/28 18:50:02
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2016/01/02 08:29:56 (permalink)
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    >> Anyone know how long it generally takes for the kind folks in support to review these problem reports?
     
    Personal experience, fastest was 2 weeks (Noel came in on a thread, seemed to think the bug important and asked me to post the dump file. 2 weeks later, it was already with the devs)
     
    Longest in recent times has been 3 months (for non-cosmetic bugs)
     
    In times gone by, I think it took several versions of persistent nagging (Sonar 8 and x1-x3 era) before anything happened. I even got denials on the forum and a "This is by design" response before it finally got done. I remember thinking "Bugs get designed... !"
    post edited by jpetersen - 2016/01/02 08:48:45
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2016/01/02 08:34:00 (permalink)
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    And some things never get done.
    I have nagged to have both the Clean Audio Folder and the CWAF tool made usable for us mere mortals since - oh, since Sonar 5, I think.
     
    Perversely, one bug DID get fixed. In CWAF (IIRC), there was a situation where, if you changed a default path to your own path, it ignored your path and still deleted everything in the default path. That they fixed (I don't recall when).
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    Re: CWBRN-41961: Copying sets of grouped clips produces unexpected groupings 2016/04/27 22:56:13 (permalink)
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    And also this one: anyone know if this has been addressed in the latest version/s? This is a serious workflow killer - I really can't believe folks aren't up in arms over this.
     
    The copy/paste bug with sets of grouped clips is actually far more pervasive than this little example. Almost any operation with previously separate sets of grouped clips creates giant swaths of clips all grouped into one.
     
    If this is an intended behavior, it changed as of X3, and if so, please for the love of all that is holy, CHANGE IT BACK! Please?
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