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2015/08/25 20:41:32 (permalink)
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Record into Matrix view

My number one feature request is to beef up Matrix view and allow us to record into it, making it share some of the functionality of Live's session view or Bitwig. I would love to have a one DAW solution and this is what holds me back from realizing that goal. It would also be great to have a related controller app for a touchscreen tablet. Please and thank you.
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    AT
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/08/25 23:46:06 (permalink)
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/08/29 23:53:09 (permalink)
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    Matrix view needs a LOT of attention. It's extremely disappointing that after years of many Sonar users lobbying for the feature it was released in such a half-baked state, and subsequently it has been ignored. It first appeared in Sonar 7 I believe? Think how advanced Matrix could be now if it had gotten ongoing attention. 
     
    A few years ago I submitted a comprehensive FR to Cake for the Matrix including recording of course. Not a single item on the list has been implemented. Not even simple stuff like keyboard navigation. 
     
    I voted and I hope everyone does but I'm not at all optimistic.
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/08/29 23:57:39 (permalink)
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    +1 Matrix View could do a lot of neat things if given a proper overhaul.

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/08/30 01:00:20 (permalink)
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    The powers at Cake said they were working on some kind of the matrix or pad type performance app a lá their iPad app.  That was last year, and if not promised they are obviously working it.  What and when to be determined. But keep your fingers crossed. 

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/08/30 01:44:39 (permalink)
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    +1.
    I still find the Project 5 matrix and editor workflow to still be far superior for working with synths. Cakewalks development has focused so heavily on audio features over everything else.
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/08/30 01:45:10 (permalink)
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    +1.
    I still find the Project 5 matrix and editor workflow to still be far superior for working with synths. Cakewalks development has focused so heavily on audio features over everything else.
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/08/30 02:11:42 (permalink)
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    It needs to be decoupled from the TV. You can't even adjust volume or pan of a row w/o trundling over to the TV. Wouldn't it be cool if every cell had volume and pan sliders? I don't think even Live has that. 
     
    Even though the Live Session view is 10 years old and extremely powerful, it has a lot of inherent limitations based on the fact that the devs were short-sighted in certain ways when it was designed. Cakewalk could have eaten Ableton's lunch. But the matrix has sat there gathering cobwebs while meanwhile a new product w/ a very powerful clip launcher (Bitwig) has gone from 0 to 60.
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/01 15:56:36 (permalink)
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    Bumping up this one, a real no brainer.
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/02 00:00:07 (permalink)
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    Yes , I agree , this is a no brainer ….Please make it Happen .
     
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/04 10:28:04 (permalink)
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    It is funny.  I don't know how many of us are out here, but it seems like there are lots who would love a SONAR that works better (best!) for us loopers (Matrix, P5, etc) and draw in more than guitarists (no shame in being a guitarist before those angry posts start pouring down on my head) into the Cake family.

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/04 15:59:01 (permalink)
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    It is funny.  I don't know how many of us are out here, but it seems like there are lots who would love a SONAR that works better (best!) for us loopers (Matrix, P5, etc) and draw in more than guitarists (no shame in being a guitarist before those angry posts start pouring down on my head) into the Cake family.


    I'm the OP and am mostly a guitarist, actually.  That said, I also use a lot of synth and drum VST's, and would like to be able to record into Matrix slots and create live loops.  I just bought a super cheap, used Live 8 to tide me over in the meantime, but would prefer to only have one DAW to enjoy (and bear upgrade costs for).
     
    I don't much use pre-recorded loops, so the current Matrix functionality is largely useless to me.
     
    Thanks for all the up votes, folks. Let's keep it going!
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/11 21:51:50 (permalink)
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    I'd like to see some simple support for Matrix, too.  There's only a single blog posting that describes its use (Electronic Brain), but generally it's treated as the ugly stepchild of Sonar.  I don't get that.  
     
    I'd like to see comparable flexibility in Matrix as provided elsewhere in Sonar.  For instance, there are NO interface color choices that apply to MV (Edit>Preferences>Display).  With the growing number of hardware options for grid-type control (e.g. Novation LaunchPad) the ability to send RGB colors to the controller would be a real market builder. WYSIWYG for modern controllers and drum pads.
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/11 21:59:11 (permalink)
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    It needs to be decoupled from the TV. You can't even adjust volume or pan of a row w/o trundling over to the TV. Wouldn't it be cool if every cell had volume and pan sliders? I don't think even Live has that. 

    There COULD BE a sort of solution to this problem.  Could the Inspector focus "float" to the selected cell?  That way, we could expand the Matrix View so that it fills most of the vertical space, but leave the Inspector open on the side.  It wouldn't be the same as having direct control in the MV, but it would surely be more straightforward than navigating the Track View.  Just a thought.
     

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/12 10:51:53 (permalink)
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    Actually, Cake needs to have an editor built-into SONAR, including for the matrix.  Put a performance (midi or guitar or drums) into a cell, top and tail it, sync it to the beat.  Most of the tools are already there, just not implemented as needed.  My idea is to perform  songs live by playing the matrix.  So I've been starting songs with various loops (prefab or heavyocity performances, etc), freezing 4-12 bars of various lines, then getting those audio clips synced back to the song temp and them using them as matrix pads. 
     
    It is a rather arduous process.  It seems (to me, a non-coder) a hopefully simple process.
     
    And my crack about guitarists was in fun.  SONAR seems geared toward musicians with a PC and guitar who want to do full bore band-type productions without being able to record an entire band at once. While Cake have added a lot of functionality to that basic concept, the Matrix is seen mostly as an arrangement tool rather than an end in itself. 
     
    It will make a great looper tool, either for Cake or someone else.  One has only to look at Cake's own Scratchpad (for iPad) to see the possibilities, not just for recording but live performance.  Scratchpad, without the limitations of importing and the # of Pads, should be grafted into SONAR or at least a stand alone app for PC.
     

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/15 18:02:28 (permalink)
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    Yes, once given the proper attention the Matrix will be a natural for live performance, just like Live's session view which so many DJ's and producers use for live performance. 
     
    I agree that Matrix cells should be foreground/background color adjustable like TV clips. I'd still like to see essential functions like volume and pan right on the cells themselves (there's plenty of room, no reason for the play button to be gigantic), but yes, the Inspector definitely should handle extended properties.
     
    Good ideas, keep em coming!
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/16 07:44:32 (permalink)
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    Hey  AT ,  Don't worry about your crack about guitar players …I thought it was funny 
     
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/16 09:54:31 (permalink)
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    I love guitarists.  Some of best friends are guitarists.  I even like bassists!

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/30 17:15:18 (permalink)
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    BUMP +1
     
    A definite YES to major Matrix update. So we can all just use only one piece of software .. Sonar :D
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/30 17:21:12 (permalink)
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    Yes, still hoping for a Matrix v2 one of these days. I've never used Project 5 but the way people are talking about it makes me wonder if a bunch if its features could be brought into the Matrix.

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/30 17:27:27 (permalink)
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    Then check this out.
     
    Peeps over at REAPER have a Session View VST plugin called Playtime:
     
    https://www.helgoboss.org/projects/playtime/
     
    I wonder could this sort of thing be implemented for Sonar??
     
     
     
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2015/11/30 18:10:59 (permalink)
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    AND - FL Studio has a Performance Mode ..
     
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/02/10 13:25:44 (permalink)
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    If a Matrix overhaul is too much to ask, I would be temporarily fine with a simple-to-use function for recording/creating live loops.  That said, a full Matrix overhaul is in order.  The Matrix is totally the red-headed stepchild of Sonar, and that is unfortunate.

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/02/11 08:35:00 (permalink)
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/02/13 20:04:49 (permalink)
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    Recording and editing directly in cells (audio and midi) are essentials IMO.
     
    Volume \ pan sliders are not for me (always have the CV or TV opened)...
     

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/04/18 14:10:55 (permalink)
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    Since I've seen users expressing similar Matrix related desires over at KVR recently, I figured I would bump this feature request.

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/04/18 16:07:43 (permalink)
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    This is not the place for a formal feature request so it may go unnoticed.

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/04/18 17:11:11 (permalink)
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    I thought that was the purpose of this forum and the related voting system.  What is the proper place, then?

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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/04/18 22:14:13 (permalink)
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    I don't know where to vote, but I have been waiting for this feature for a long time. I still haven't upgraded, but if this comes, I will definitely do. I'm currently using Bitwig Studio because of this, but if Sonar provides it, I'll definitely use Sonar.
     
    And it will be super great if the Matrix rows are wired to tracks by default.
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    Re: Record into Matrix view 2016/04/19 11:12:15 (permalink)
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    I don't know where to vote, but I have been waiting for this feature for a long time. I still haven't upgraded, but if this comes, I will definitely do. I'm currently using Bitwig Studio because of this, but if Sonar provides it, I'll definitely use Sonar.
     
    And it will be super great if the Matrix rows are wired to tracks by default.




    You can vote by clicking the stars next to my initial post above (right hand side).

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