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My thoughts & prayers......
To all the people and their families in the San Bernardino attack yesterday, who suffered in this cowardly atrocious attack.
My deepest sympathies to all affected.
Hopefully, the nation will come together as one and decisively 'deal' with these type of barbarians in a firm manner.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/03 11:26:41
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Mesh
To all the people and their families in the San Bernardino attack yesterday, who suffered in this cowardly atrocious attack.
My deepest sympathies to all affected.
Hopefully, the nation will come together as one and decisively 'deal' with these type of barbarians in a firm manner.
Horrendous. How do you deal with it though? The police have killed the two shooters, so the motive can probably only be guessed at now.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/03 12:32:21
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/12/03 13:02:11
The motive seems pretty obvious.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/04 22:59:05
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Seems pretty ironic that the forum police only seem to get involved and start locking threads and warning people because of overt religious comments when it's the atheists round here who are deemed to have crossed the line. In the meantime.... 
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/04 23:00:26
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You showed them them strummer. You showed them all!!!!
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/04 23:26:28
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EDIT... I misunderstood. If we are talking about morons on Facebook, yes. There are morons on Facebook. J
post edited by jbow - 2015/12/05 17:43:37
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 01:47:01
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I've done the math, and I feel the probability is approaching 100% that we're not alone in the Universe. Whether we've already been visited or not I'll leave up to your own opinions, however, at times like this I can't help but wonder what the hell people would do if we DID get visited (a huge "We're here!" that's so big that governments can't cover it up). I mean, if we can't even seem to get along within our own species, what will happen if entities that are not genetically related to us suddenly arrive? 
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 07:55:51
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SteveStrummerUK
Seems pretty ironic that the forum police only seem to get involved and start locking threads and warning people because of overt religious comments when it's the atheists round here who are deemed to have crossed the line.
Where are these overt religious comments of which you speak? The title of the thread?
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 11:39:07
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Hi,
I just find the whole thing so ... I don't even have words for it.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 12:37:03
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/12/05 23:38:25
Nothing wrong with sending prayers and condolences to the loved ones of the San Bernardino tragedy but at the same time if I send prayers and condolences to the loved ones of the babies and non-combatants our airstrikes have killed in ten years of bombing a large part of the Arab world, I'll probably have the thread locked.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 12:46:41
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SteveStrummerUK
Seems pretty ironic that the forum police only seem to get involved and start locking threads and warning people because of overt religious comments when it's the atheists round here who are deemed to have crossed the line.
With all due respect Steve (and I do have much respect for your candid honesty), please open up a another thread for any issues you're having with the 'forum police'. Since I do have famiiy and friends who live in the San Bernardino area, out of compassion and charity of heart for the living & dead, I offer my thoughts and prayers. Whether you pray or not or have any thoughts about it or not is certainly up to you, but the fact is that the whole western world is under attack/at war with these barbarians, and the truth is they really won't check to see if you're an atheist or a Christian before blowing you up.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 14:26:05
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Mesh
SteveStrummerUK
Seems pretty ironic that the forum police only seem to get involved and start locking threads and warning people because of overt religious comments when it's the atheists round here who are deemed to have crossed the line.
With all due respect Steve (and I do have much respect for your candid honesty), please open up a another thread for any issues you're having with the 'forum police'.
Since I do have famiiy and friends who live in the San Bernardino area, out of compassion and charity of heart for the living & dead, I offer my thoughts and prayers.
Whether you pray or not or have any thoughts about it or not is certainly up to you, but the fact is that the whole western world is under attack/at war with these barbarians, and the truth is they really won't check to see if you're an atheist or a Christian before blowing you up.
Mesh, I love you man, and please understand that my comments were not meant to be construed as a personal slight. To me, it's explicitly clear that we should leave religion at the door when we enter the Cakewalk forums (except of course in the Song Forum and in individuals' signatures). I don't see how offers/mentions of prayer fall outside that remit. Let me ask you this. If another forum member had started a thread in here concerning the same incident entitled "My Thoughts And Prayers", and the premise of the OP was to validate the attack, and to celebrate the martyrdom of the author's 'brother' and 'sister' who undertook this act, would you think it appropriate?
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 16:17:39
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2015/12/05 16:31:14
SteveStrummerUK
Let me ask you this. If another forum member had started a thread in here concerning the same incident entitled "My Thoughts And Prayers", and the premise of the OP was to validate the attack, and to celebrate the martyrdom of the author's 'brother' and 'sister' who undertook this act, would you think it appropriate?
I understand the point you're trying to make and yes, the title possibly does cross the line, especially if one is harping on being stringent with the rules. We being regulars in here and seeing that for the most part, we are all rational people whom can still reason and differentiate good from bad, I went ahead and posted it. Of course, I wouldn't think it's appropriate for someone to "validate the attack" and post about it in here. Again, the majority in here are good people and wouldn't condone an evil act. I think it's better to look beyond the trivialities of political correctness and rather focus more on who the real enemy is.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 16:55:42
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Mesh
I think it's better to look beyond the trivialities of political correctness and rather focus more on who the real enemy is.
Well said...
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 16:56:18
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SteveStrummerUK
Let me ask you this. If another forum member had started a thread in here concerning the same incident entitled "My Thoughts And Prayers", and the premise of the OP was to validate the attack, and to celebrate the martyrdom of the author's 'brother' and 'sister' who undertook this act, would you think it appropriate?
Alright... I'll say it... and know that this is a completely NON religious individual. This is a totally absurd strawman and I would like to think you, Steve, are smart enough to know that. There is a HUGE difference between someone expressing their condolences, support, sympathy, etc to INNOCENT VICTIMS of a horrendous crime perpetuated by violent, deluded scumbags and some expressing the same sentiments and support FOR the violent, deluded scumbags and their deluded, violent ideology. Again I am NOT religious at ALL but if religion gives people the comfort and peace they need to cope with life's most challenging and horrific situations I am totally fine with that. If it gives them some kind of strength and motivation to better themselves and be good to others I am TOTALLY fine with that. It's only when they use it as an excuse to control, hurt, manipulate or engage in any other negative behavior that SOME zealots do in the name of their faith do I have a problem. Also... militant atheists can be just as bad or WORSE than their theist counterparts. They also do not help the secular humanist cause in the SLIGHTEST. Quite the opposite. tl;dr... Be a good person who does good things... I don't care what motivates you. I'll respect ya. Be a bad person who does despicable things... I don't care what motivates you. You suck.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 17:30:00
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Agree Mesh. We need help and we need to wake up. J
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 17:43:55
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 18:58:04
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Beepster SteveStrummerUK Let me ask you this. If another forum member had started a thread in here concerning the same incident entitled "My Thoughts And Prayers", and the premise of the OP was to validate the attack, and to celebrate the martyrdom of the author's 'brother' and 'sister' who undertook this act, would you think it appropriate? Alright... I'll say it... and know that this is a completely NON religious individual. This is a totally absurd strawman and I would like to think you, Steve, are smart enough to know that. There is a HUGE difference between someone expressing their condolences, support, sympathy, etc to INNOCENT VICTIMS of a horrendous crime perpetuated by violent, deluded scumbags and some expressing the same sentiments and support FOR the violent, deluded scumbags and their deluded, violent ideology.I don't think I offerered a strawman argument at all. For every incident like this, there are at least two opposing views regarding the righteousness, validity, justification and reason for its occurence. Do you believe for one moment that the people who carry out these acts have absolutely any doubt in their minds that what they are doing is the most valued and esteemed action anyone on this planet can undertake? That to martyr themselves in the name of their religion, god and prophet is the epitome of a human life, and that such an act is the only guaranteed way to reach the highest level of paradise? As far as matters of spirituality go, everyone of every faith is convinced that their way is right, and that all others are wrong. My point was simply that someone posting any religious opinions in here, be they Christian or Muslim, should be equally be deterred from doing so. I'm guessing that because the vast majority of contributors to these forums are probably not Muslims (at a guess, I'd say the largest group would be white, middle-aged Christian men), then the chances are that most of us would see these acts as 'evil', those that were killed as 'victims'. That sort of links into my point about the moderators and hosts (who also all seem to be non-Muslims; I know one host is an atheist, but some of them have self-identified as Christian), and how it seems that (pro)-Christian-related topics, opinions and comments that are casually dropped into posts are never challenged; action only ever seems forthcoming once another point of view is aired. And let's be honest, when these little spats occur, it's always the religious comment that starts it off. If nobody had complained, this thread would have carried on regardless. Now, because I've had a whine and the discussion has widened, it will get locked or removed. As I've asked, nay pleaded, so often, leave your god at the door. Do what the hell you like in private, worship any deity you choose, but please don't ram it down my throat in a public arena. Beepster Again I am NOT religious at ALL but if religion gives people the comfort and peace they need to cope with life's most challenging and horrific situations I am totally fine with that. If it gives them some kind of strength and motivation to better themselves and be good to others I am TOTALLY fine with that. It's only when they use it as an excuse to control, hurt, manipulate or engage in any other negative behavior that SOME zealots do in the name of their faith do I have a problem. I fully concur. Beepster Also... militant atheists can be just as bad or WORSE than their theist counterparts. They also do not help the secular humanist cause in the SLIGHTEST. Quite the opposite. Define 'militant'. Or at least give me a few examples of people who, because they don't believe in a god, organised an inquisition, burnt witches, discriminate against, act violently towards, or even kill others because they don't not believe in the same gods they don't believe in, flew planes into building or martyred themselves. I'd estimate that's a pretty short list. Beepster Be a good person who does good things... I don't care what motivates you. I'll respect ya. Be a bad person who does despicable things... I don't care what motivates you. You suck. I completely agree with this too.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 19:15:12
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I have no interest in getting into one of your long drawn out arguments, Steve.
The point was there is NO comparison to what Mesh posted and someone sympathizing with the attackers.
None.
At all.
To even HINT otherwise is ludicrous.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 19:40:31
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SteveStrummer
please don't ram it down my throat in a public arena.
I would hardly call Mesh offering condolences by saying "thoughts and prayers" ramming it down your throat. Are you really offended that easily? Life must be tough for you.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 20:07:23
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I have no interest in getting into one of your long drawn out arguments, Steve.
Huh? You specifically quoted and questioned me - with what was up until then the longest post in this thread. And now that you don't like/donn't understand my reply, you've lost "interest". Er... if you're not up for a bit of intellectual debate, then don't get involved in one. Beepster
The point was there is NO comparison to what Mesh posted and someone sympathizing with the attackers.
None.
At all.
To even HINT otherwise is ludicrous.
I didn't make that comparison at all. I merely stated that any thread started with that particular heading was, in my opinion, flouting the CoC, regardless of the the sypathies of its author. Simple as that, no hidden context, meaning or otherwise. What is so hard to understand here.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 20:17:51
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Leadfoot
SteveStrummer
please don't ram it down my throat in a public arena.
I would hardly call Mesh offering condolences by saying "thoughts and prayers" ramming it down your throat. Are you really offended that easily? Life must be tough for you.
Life is great thanks. I don't worry about upsetting or ingratiating some fictional 'man in the sky', I prostrate myself before nothing and nobody, and I worry not a jot about what happens to me after I die. It really is a lovely, content state of mind to be in. I do my best to follow the law of the land, and I consider myself a humanist who cares for and about others. I give to charity because hopefully it helps others less fortunate, plus it makes me feel good. How tough is that? And religion and religious folk don't offend me. Far from it. I simply prefer to live as secularly as is possible, and where the rules state that I should be able to enjoy myself without any religion being involved, I prefer those rules to be respected. How hard can all this be to understand?
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/05 20:29:21
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I am not interested BECAUSE I try not to play as fast and loose with the CoC as you do.
To carry on this discussion ANY further would necessitate a whole PILE of TOS violations on my part but trust me... I could counter every single thing you said and back it up with facts.
But then I would be the one getting messages from the mods.
I said what I intended to say. I meant it... and that is that.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/06 10:25:13
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It's only when they use it as an excuse to control, hurt, manipulate or engage in any other negative behavior that SOME zealots do in the name of their faith do I have a problem.
This is when things become a problem, for sure. No matter what religion, or belief system. We all have a right to live as we want to in this world (or we should have). We should tolerate and respect one another. From the way things have always been handled here, I have come to believe that the intent of the TOS, no matter how they are written, are meant to deter theological or political debates, which quickly turn nasty and ruin a forum. At least that is the way it seems to me. I think it is a good policy. This forum is as good as it gets. I cannot think of a single person on the Cakewalk forums that I don't care for. J
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/06 12:26:30
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One thing I've noticed about these Islamic terrorists is that they all seem to have that same dead look in their eyes in the mugshots. It's a look of pure evil, of contempt for everything in this world. This Farook idiot had a similar look in his eyes to Mohammed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers. I honestly think that their belief in ghosts and goblins is so strong that they see this life as some kind of brief inconvenience. Their minds are somewhere in a fictional spirit world and so they have no concern for anything in this life. That's the look I see in their eyes. It's a very dangerous mindset - one that can never be reasoned with, only destroyed.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/06 13:16:37
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From the way things have always been handled here, I have come to believe that the intent of the TOS, no matter how they are written, are meant to deter theological or political debates, which quickly turn nasty and ruin a forum. At least that is the way it seems to me. I think it is a good policy.
This forum is as good as it gets.
I cannot think of a single person on the Cakewalk forums that I don't care for.
J
Totally. That is exactly it. I think you and I could have a great, respectful convo even though we may disagree on SOME things (but definitely agree on others) but topics and ideas that may come up would just send the more bombastic internet denizens through the roof and any rational discourse would get drowned out. The internet is such a brilliant and powerful tool with many possibilities for bringing folks together but it also has this nasty side effect of ripping people apart at the same time through irrational, emotional and opinionated whargarble. A music/tech site like this really has no option but to discourage such discussions not because they don't want people to connect and discuss but because inevitably things will, as you said, get nasty if giving half a chance. Cripes... we can get into enough brawls just talking about the software. We don't need no steenkin' politics/religion. lulz Cheers.
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Re: My thoughts & prayers......
2015/12/06 16:24:34
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I see nothing wrong with the nature of this thread. I do not believe it to be in violation of anything. I do hope that you all keep it civil and respect each other. There is a remedy if you don't. BTW I am non religious too but I work closely with a nearby Catholic church because they do good things for people.
What I would implore you all to do is have tolerance for each other.
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