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2015/12/06 19:43:03 (permalink)

Guitar Slides

I'm looking to get my first slide to use on my electric. I do like the blues and lots of other genre's, so a 'one size fits all' would work. I'm just not sure which kind to get (glass, brass, chromed steel etc...). Would like to know what your experiences and suggestion are??

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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/06 20:09:00 (permalink)
I've got a steel one that I probably use the most. I also have a porcelain one that I also like. It provides a slightly different sound. Not quite the bite of the steel one. A little smoother.
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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/06 20:30:32 (permalink)
I've found that some of the plastic type are very hard to hold and use...
 


 
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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/06 22:58:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/12/07 14:50:54
I like the glass ones the best Mesh. I've tried them all but to me glass was lighter and had a better feel and sound to it. My advice is to play around with as many types as possible before you decide. They all sound a little different. I use a coricidin bottle I took from my medicine cabinet as my primary. Long ago.  I have several other bottles but I much prefer the corididin bottle
I use mine on my 4th finger but have used it on all my fingers before I decided to go with my 4th.
 
Stay with it for a while. It takes a bit to get used to but once you do it's awesome. There's is no sound like it!!!  
 
P.S. in the old days I would empty all the pills out just for the bottle. Now you can go to a music store and pay 3 times as much for the same thing
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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 02:27:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/12/07 14:50:50
I have a really heavy ceramic one called the mudslide ….Love it 
http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/mudslide-porcelain-slides 
 
As far as what would work best for you . Slides are a low impact price wise .
 
 
Experiment around and pick up a couple of different ones to see what you are the most comfortable using .
Some materials that sound great on an electric don't sound as good on an acoustic , and visa versa 
 
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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 03:05:21 (permalink)
Small glass pill bottle here on the 4th finger when on a guitar.

Ceramic held between thumb and first finger on a lap slide guitar.

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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 08:46:31 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Mesh 2015/12/07 14:51:09
I prefer steel for electric playing and brass for acoustic most of the time. The Jim Dunlop ceramic slides are OK soundwise, but they are big, feel sticky against the strings, are not always smooth, are clumsy and the internal dimensions are not consistent. I've two which are theoretically the same size but one is loose on my finger and the other is so tight it's difficult to remove. The big diameter also restricts what the other fingers can do.

In general, chromed steel slides are bright with good sustain, low friction and little string noise. Johnny Winter used chromed steel for electric playing.

Brass has low friction and good sustain, but a lot of string noise because the rougher surface scrapes on the unplayed strings. Brass has the dirtiest, roughest sound and the strings scratch it easily making it rougher still. Resonator and acoustic players often seem to like brass.

Glass is lightweight, but has less sustain. Low string noise but a surprising amount of friction against the strings, almost sticky in feel. Muddy Waters used a fairly short glass slide the couple of times I saw him (he also played in standard tuning, at least in later years, which is reputedly why Johnny Winter persuaded Muddy not to play slide on the LPs Winter produced - too many out of tune strings resonating away, though Muddy sounded really good live ). Duane Allman also used glass.

The weight of the slide makes less difference than you might expect, especially on electrics.

What does matter is fit. A slide that's loose on the finger is difficult to control, and a side with a large diameter is harder to position for correct intonation. Jim Dunlop's website has a sizing chart somewhere in the slides section which is very useful. Measure the diameter of whichever finger you put the slide on (I use my fourth finger) and look for the slide size closest to it plus a bit extra.

As for slide length, I prefer slides that cover all the strings. If you intend to play in standard tuning you might find a shorter slide better because it will create less of a problem with strings you don't want sounding being activated by the slide. Fender vintage 7.25" radius fingerboards generally are too curved to use a longer slide across all strings easily unless the action is very high. 9.5" is OK with a longer slide so long as the action is raised a little and the saddle heights are set so the strings are a little flatter across than the board radius. Gibson and other flatter fingerboards are fine for anything, but again the action might need lifting a little.

There are lots of expensive slides around with all kinds of variations in a plain tube, cut-outs, weighting at one end or the other, "signature" slides etc. Generally they aren't an improvement over a plain, ordinary Dunlop in my experience. The "signature" ones are like "signature" anything - they might be right for the famous individual who endorses them, but that doesn't mean they're any good for anyone else.

Slides are pretty cheap. I'd recommend getting a steel, a brass and a glass in suitable sizes and see which you prefer. Expect not to find your ideal slide at the first try. And when you do find it, get several because they may not be around in a few years time when you need a replacement.

And don't forget to consider string guages for slde playing - depending in tuning you might find you need to go up a guage or even more to prevent string buzz and fretting out problems.

Edited for typos.
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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 14:52:44 (permalink)
Thanks everyone for the tips/recommendations and especially to Tim for all the specific details. Great info and advice.....you guys are the best!!!
 
I was leaning towards a glass slide as I don't want the string noise, but I think the chromed steel might be the right one. I think I'll start with the glass one first.....my only issue is my 4th finger isn't long enough to cover all six strings and using a larger slide might be clumsy.......may have to use the 3rd (which will limit playing chords and such....).....trial and error it is.
 
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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 15:10:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/12/07 15:57:19
BUY ONE OF EACH.
 
use both of them,
a lot,
then settle on the one that has 'your voice'
 
after than, 
investigate ceramic slides

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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 15:47:09 (permalink)
my only issue is my 4th finger isn't long enough to cover all six strings and using a larger slide might be clumsy
 
Very seldom will you use more than 2 notes and sometimes 3. Muting is done with all available appendages except the slide

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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 15:52:10 (permalink)
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my only issue is my 4th finger isn't long enough to cover all six strings and using a larger slide might be clumsy
 
Very seldom will you use more than 2 notes and sometimes 3. Muting is done with all available appendages except the slide


Thanks Bill.....I'll have a lot of practicing to do over the Christmas holidays to find a proper technique without playing a lot of bum notes. 
Just messing around in the past, I've used my chapstick as a slide.......until it drops. 

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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 17:40:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/12/07 18:26:53
Meshmy only issue is my 4th finger isn't long enough to cover all six strings and using a larger slide might be clumsy.......may have to use the 3rd (which will limit playing chords and such....).....trial and error it is.


You might well find you can cover six strings with a 4th finger slide, the slide kind of extends your finger and using one doesn't need much pressure at all - you don't press the strings down behind the fret to the fingerboard but let the slide float a little over the top of the frets or only just contact them. For good intonation the slide has to be over the centre of the fret, not behind it where you'd normally fret a note.

Too much pressure with a slide can cause more rapid than usual fret wear as well.

I've pretty small hands, use a long slide (Dunlop 222 size) and play 4,5 and 6 string chords at times without problems. As for damping, like everything about slide playing I doubt any two people do it exactly the same. I tend to damp mostly up at the bridge end with my right hand, but I usually play with fingers, not a pick.

Slide can feel very clumsy and out of control when you first try it, especially as every string the slide contacts wants to join in, sustain can be almost endless and open tunings are very resonant. So if playing electric, using a pretty clean amp setting might make things a bit easier to start with.
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Re: Guitar Slides 2015/12/07 18:32:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/12/07 19:18:14

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