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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/14 10:15:40
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Stay away from the Deals forum below.  My plugin count has tripled since checking in there the last few months. Bjorn
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/14 18:48:54
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Most of them now come in VST2 and 3. I stopped installing free ones.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/14 19:26:39
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I've actually not upgraded a lot of my plugins this year, even though I've bought more this year than any other.
I've found that some clients are so well educated they sometimes ask you to use particular plugins. Have others found this? Especially Waves plugins, the name is so widely known that clients equate them with a well setup studio. Kind of like Pro Tools being perceived as the essential DAW. Especially for the younger guys that have grown up with computers and not seen the high end audio gear. For them Waves equate to the high end studio hardware. I admit that years ago when I got into digital, I had perceptions like that. I guess you get sucked up in the marketing hype.
Like a wise man once said; "Maybe it's time to cut down on the VSTs"
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/15 13:24:55
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MelodicJimmy I literally use maybe about ..... ten plugins. I'd rather record music than play around with plugins.
I agree that it is a chore to have so many, but it is easy to setup a layout in plug in manager that only shows what you use. The same cannot be said for Region Effects. In this case you have to look at Drum Replacer every time you go to Region Effects, even if you almost never record drums. Perhaps in a future release.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/15 20:57:27
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/12/15 21:23:01
Maybe it will become an issue when there are more than three options.
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stevec
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/16 14:26:46
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I'm currently sitting at 554 total. And I'm willing to bet anyone $20 that I use at least 10% of those. Seriously though, I do always seem to come back to a core group of plugins. The others are more in "because I might need them someday" territory. PS... Looking forward to more CA-X amps, Craig. Love 'em.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/16 21:52:10
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] If you have the Waves suite you get around 600 plugins just from there :) FWIW I've tested with over 1000 plugins and SONAR still does the startup scan in less than 5 seconds for me.
is this from a cold start (i.e., after a reboot of PC) or after Sonar has already been loaded previously with no PC restart?
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/16 22:31:48
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Maybe I'm just poor and/or efficient, but I see some of you with your 1000+ plugins and look at my startup scan which only finds 158 and can't help but shake my head. :)
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/16 22:46:49
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I have 190. I know my way around them fairly well.
There are some, like Melda wobbler that I always think will be fun when I finally get to it, but I never do.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/17 01:28:13
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stevec PS... Looking forward to more CA-X amps, Craig. Love 'em.
I did a preview video for the Cakewalk folks...shhh...don't tell anyone. Who knows? It's pretty close to finished. Maybe it will come out in 2016...
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/17 02:34:17
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Looks nice, Craig  All the best.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/17 11:34:35
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I'm just reading this - I thought I was doing something with 170 I haven't even touched the tip of the iceburg in comparison with many....
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/17 13:32:15
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Anderton I did a preview video for the Cakewalk folks...shhh...don't tell anyone. Who knows? It's pretty close to finished. Maybe it will come out in 2016...
I'm amazed at how much can be achieved with Sonar built-in tools and bundled plugs. That's really inspiring. Thanks for sharing this video, Craig!
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/17 14:01:23
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Anderton
Can I run vox thru that Vox?
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/17 19:07:44
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True story, I am terrified of upgrading my PC due to having to DL, update, re-register all of the plug ins. I have no idea where some of them even came from at this point! All those freebee deals over the years, who could resist??
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Anderton
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/17 23:12:09
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Soundwise I'm amazed at how much can be achieved with Sonar built-in tools and bundled plugs. That's really inspiring. Thanks for sharing this video, Craig!
Thank you very much!!! The other new amp rounds out the high-gain amp collection with a very different tonality. It's not finished yet...but even though I'm not a huge high-gain fan, so far I'm finding it really useful. BTW the "Al Green" amp that was requested in this forum last month is a long way from being complete (these things take time, the first group of CA-X amps took a year) but I haven't forgotten about it. Gets me in touch with my inner Wes Montgomery. And BTW...I realize this is way-OT, but...the way Wes got those "fat" octave sounds was he muted the two strings between the octaves and hit those as well as the octave strings. Your trivia for today...back to VSTs.
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Paul P
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/18 00:00:59
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LpMike75 True story, I am terrified of upgrading my PC due to having to DL, update, re-register all of the plug ins. I have no idea where some of them even came from at this point! All those freebee deals over the years, who could resist??
I relunctantly have to admit that product managers like the CCC, NI's Service Center, XLN Online Installer, etc. make things so much easier, when they work as intended. Currently they seem to require as much involvement as manually managing things, but I can see the benefit in the long run. Just log into a few sites and let them take care of putting your system back together. This doesn't help for the freebies scattered all over the place, but do you really need them ?
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/18 00:17:27
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Anderton [Wes Montgomery] muted the two strings between the octaves and hit those as well as the octave strings. Your trivia for today...back to VSTs.
Cool...is there a plug-in for muting strings as you play octaves?
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/18 15:56:11
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Paul P This doesn't help for the freebies scattered all over the place, but do you really need them ?
You never know. Some free plugs are superior to paid for ones.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/19 04:07:59
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Soundwise
Paul P This doesn't help for the freebies scattered all over the place, but do you really need them ?
You never know. Some free plugs are superior to paid for ones. 
I know this exact feeling. :) Tried out TH2 a while back, didn't like it very much. Downloaded TSB-1, TPA-1 and Emissary from Ignite Amps as well as LePou's amp sims and cab convolver, bought some cheap IRs from RedWirez. Never looked back. Quality is amazing, probably the best (and cheapest) way to do guitar chain simulation. Cost me $40 CAD or so in IRs but the signal path to use them was free.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/19 04:59:24
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We need a license swap/exchange/gifting forum section... several of us gifted unused licenses to others on the iZotope loyalty upgrade deal, helping each other... I donated Trash2+ and Alloy licenses which I ended up having because another awesome dude with a 3 letter name bit on a post I made and enabled me to get the upgrade...so far it's gone into a 4 layer sequential regifting... would really be cool... those in need would prosper from others with unused abundance...
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/19 12:57:21
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irvin Thanks for the kind words. I feel we often don't get the best of the wonderful tools at our disposal. I'm 55, a 'veteran' of the music scene, going back to the 80's and tape machines. I went through the ADAT 'revolution' and my journey has made me very appreciative of all we have: it's a small marvel to think what products like Sonar and others I won't mention can get us for a very small price.
We can do far more in our PC than what the best engineers could do at the long-deceased multi-million Variety studios in midtown New York thirty years ago (young guys know about Pultec emulations, but nobody talks about the balls needed to do tape splicing on a 2" master - there was no Control-Z back then) The only thing the digital revolution has not made available to us is a nice recording room, but even the cheap microphones and audio interfaces are delivering great quality. All we need to enjoy this great era is to spend enough time learning our tools.
I could hang out with you Irvin!
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Paul P
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/19 13:20:13
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irvin We are always putting ourselves exactly one step behind the perfect music-making situation; we are always forgetting the public does not care (or even know) wether that little hook they love about song X is a banjo or a freaking trombone!
On their phones, they couldn't tell the difference even if they knew what it was  . But I agree that what's good in music has nothing to do with the quality of sound reproduction. One has only to listen to Lomax recordings to be convinced. irvin The only thing the digital revolution has not made available to us is a nice recording room, but even the cheap microphones and audio interfaces are delivering great quality. All we need to enjoy this great era is to spend enough time learning our tools.
At least when everything was made in a studio you could attain a high level of reproduction provided you had a quality reproduction system at the receiving end. Electronic musical elements may not be much of a problem but for acoustic recording you better have a reasonable room. Otherwise those with quality systems will just hear in great detail the lousy room that was used to record in. And if they have a quality system, they're probably also trained to hear what's going on in the recording and won't be impressed.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/21 17:16:49
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Looking forward to the new CA-X!
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/23 09:31:07
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Love the Wes WOW a whole year to come up with the amps ..That is Impressive ...   Right now I'm sticking to my plan of only using one computer for my learning SONAR woodshed experiment . Everything I have used for years is now put away . One computer for everything and I'm focusing on one DAW only .SONAR . My current VST scan shows 90 ....that includes a couple of must haves I haven't used yet .... I'm enjoying this self imposed learning plan. It has cut down on many of the distractions and time waster moves I was doing before. Kenny
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/23 12:02:39
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LpMike75 True story, I am terrified of upgrading my PC due to having to DL, update, re-register all of the plug ins. I have no idea where some of them even came from at this point! All those freebee deals over the years, who could resist? I resisted upgrading to Windows 10 because I didn't want to wipe the drive clean and re-install everything from scratch, which was the recommended way to upgrade prior to Windows 10. However, with Windows 10 you can do an in-place upgrade, no need to wipe anything or start over. In fact when the upgrade was done and my desktop appeared, I was bummed because I thought the update hadn't worked - everything on the desktop was where I left it. But it had updated! Windows 10 has improved performance, works great with SONAR, and has some really useful features. The only complication was a couple times, Windows asked if I wanted to re-install a driver. So I clicked yes and all was well. I haven't shaken out every single corner of my setup, but I have to say Windows 10 is the most painless OS upgrade I've ever experienced.
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Re: Maybe it's time for me to cut down on the VSTs
2015/12/23 13:14:21
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Always knew you were a 10.
Seriously though; Win 10 is with out a doubt Microsoft's best OS to date. Welcome to the club.
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