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Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
I live near Ft. Wayne, so I've been to almost every Gearfest since Sweetwater started them. A few years ago I couldn't resist the $57 price for an SM57. When I tried it out, it sounded great on, electric, and acoustic guitar. Then I tried it with vocals. It had a bad pop, but I didn't think much about it, since I bought it for electric guitar. I had never owned one before so I had nothing to compare it to. Last year I donated a spare sound system to our local volunteer fire dept. Along with it went the SM58, I had been using for 20 years. Some time later I grabbed the 58, my son had bought at Gearfest, to use with my voicelive2. I found it has a pop to it also. This time I've had years of experience with my old 58, and never had this problem. I'm just curious to know if anyone else has had problems with these Gearfest deals, that seem to good to pass up.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/12 12:59:00
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I know nothing about what they sell at Gearfest. I've bought some "demo" equipment from them and it came packaged with a "Demo" sticker. I wonder since both mic's pop with voice if its something else and not the mic's? Did you happen to use the same mic cable with both?
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/12 14:32:28
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Anything is possible, but Sweetwater is one of the best for being honest and not pulling the "repack" crap that some of the other places are known for. I'd call them up. They warranty gear for 2 years no matter what the manufacturer's warranty is so they will make good on it. I once picked up, locally, a set of monitors from that place that rhymes with A$$ and when I got them home both tweeters were blown. If that wasn't bad enough, the invoice from the previous person was in the box and he paid less than I did ! That's what really hurt. They took them back and I have not shopped there since. This was in the 90's and they are local to me in NY. Real snakes.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/12 15:07:55
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The "no questions asked" return policies of many online stores has frightened me enough to go back to local stores, even if they're a bit more expensive. I can then make sure that the box hasn't been previously opened. And it's little trouble to return something if necessary. If I have to buy online, I'll state in the comments that I'll only accept new, unopened items.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/12 19:45:36
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fireberd I wonder since both mic's pop with voice if its something else and not the mic's? Did you happen to use the same mic cable with both?
In the case of the 2, 58's, yes it was the same cable. It has been a long time since I tried the 57 for vocals so I don't know what cables or even what preamp I was using. steveo42 Anything is possible, but Sweetwater is one of the best for being honest and not pulling the "repack" crap that some of the other places are known for. I'd call them up. They warranty gear for 2 years no matter what the manufacturer's warranty is so they will make good on it.
I bought the 57 in 2011, so that's more than 2 years. The 58 I'm sure is more than two years. Ryan got that before we started playing gigs together, and that's been more than 2 years. He died last year, otherwise I would have never used his, and just bought another. I just got to thinking they sell a boatload of those at Gearfest. Perhaps they're getting a discount from Shure that might include some B stock. I've gotten a lot of stuff from Sweetwater and never had any other problems.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/12 22:39:16
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Paul P The "no questions asked" return policies of many online stores has frightened me enough to go back to local stores, even if they're a bit more expensive. I can then make sure that the box hasn't been previously opened. And it's little trouble to return something if necessary. If I have to buy online, I'll state in the comments that I'll only accept new, unopened items.
I agree. Service after the sale is where local places are better.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/12 22:54:35
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Paul P The "no questions asked" return policies of many online stores has frightened me enough to go back to local stores, even if they're a bit more expensive. I can then make sure that the box hasn't been previously opened. And it's little trouble to return something if necessary. If I have to buy online, I'll state in the comments that I'll only accept new, unopened items.
I agree. Service after the sale is where local places are better.
Disagree.. I live in NYC and I have all the big chains are here, in triplicate as well as the little guys. You stand more of a chance of getting a well disguised re-pack than via mail order. Why? My theory is the sales drones, mostly 3rd rate musicians if that, routinely work deals with their friends to "borrow, exchange, slip bad gear into a new box" and so forth and trust me, these places are EXPERTS at disguising that fact. They swap out the guts of some piece of gear, reseal the box and you will never know. Compare that to a place like Sweetwater where they probably sell more of that same piece of gear in a day than the local place sells in 6 months, even the big chains. I'm all for supporting the little guy but you have to put things in perspective. Opening up the box and looking, trying out the gear before buying is no sure thing either. At best the gear works. At worst it has some kind of intermittent problem that only shows up under certain conditions and you have in fact inherited someone else's problem. It's a minefield out there and people are being snookered every day.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/13 02:12:49
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It's usually pretty easy to see if a box has been opened or not. One time I told the salesman I wanted an opened box and he replied "it had to be opened to put the item inside". I bought a camera once from a once respectful camera shop (back before I learned to look at what I was buying), and found the guarantee card in the box filled out by the previous buyer. I took it back, got a full refund, and never went back.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/13 09:53:22
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Paul P It's usually pretty easy to see if a box has been opened or not. One time I told the salesman I wanted an opened box and he replied "it had to be opened to put the item inside". I bought a camera once from a once respectful camera shop (back before I learned to look at what I was buying), and found the guarantee card in the box filled out by the previous buyer. I took it back, got a full refund, and never went back.
Your camera experience mirrors my monitor experience. The camera shops in NYC are cutthroat. They know every trick in the book and some that aren't in the book. They fleece the tourists like sheep going to the slaughter. It actually makes our business look good ! The most common tactic is to advertise really low prices for certain camera gear and then when the shopper arrives at the shop or tries to buy online they discover it's a gray market camera and doesn't come with a US warranty. And of course they will gladly sell you the warranty for an extra fee which by some odd coincidence brings the price of the camera right up to the same level as other stores are selling it for. Oldest trick in the book. Best advice I can offer is thoroughly examine the box. Top, bottom and sides. If a local place, have them open it so you can examine the gear. Look at the screws that hold things together and make sure they aren't marked up, check the serial number against the warranty card and the sticker on the outside of the box. Use your nose to sniff for unusual smells, like burning odor etc. Make sure all accessories like rack ears etc are in the box. If mail order, take pics of the outside of the box BEFORE you open it and if things don't look good call the company immediately and file a claim. It's sad we have to be suspicious but sadly some people are dishonest and it's best to avoid them if possible. Fortunately these people are the exception not the rule. Most businesses want to stay in business so they strive to be honest and fair. Anyway, happy shopping!
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/14 09:19:14
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I have purchased several "demo" units from Sweetwater, and the box is clearly marked DEMO, and still has their impeccable warranty. In fact I purchased a Mackie MCCU pro demo that went bad and they shipped me a new sealed unit. I do wonder about a certain "camera" megastore that advertises audio products well below other internet music stores prices, I have purchased some things from them and wonder if they are repacks.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/14 09:31:22
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Ham N Egz I have purchased several "demo" units from Sweetwater, and the box is clearly marked DEMO, and still has their impeccable warranty. In fact I purchased a Mackie MCCU pro demo that went bad and they shipped me a new sealed unit. I do wonder about a certain "camera" megastore that advertises audio products well below other internet music stores prices, I have purchased some things from them and wonder if they are repacks.
I also had a Mackie MCU where the display went dim and it was about 22 months into Sweetwater's 2 year warranty. They shipped me a brand new one, no questions asked and provided a prepaid return label for the defective one. Had I purchased somewhere else I would have been screwed due to the manufacturer's warranty having expired.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/14 14:39:27
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☄ Helpfulby steveo42 2015/12/14 16:32:44
Here is the response from my Sweetwater sales person about Gearfest equipment. We NEVER sell anything as refurbished unless it is clearly marked and sold as such. In the case of GearFest, manufacturers give us great pricing for the event.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/15 08:06:28
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☄ Helpfulby steveo42 2015/12/15 08:50:55
I bought a demo unit of speaker stands at a good discount from Sweetwater. when I got them, the pole on one of them was bent and basically unusable. i called my sweetwater rep and he immediately sent out a NEW unopened box set for replacement before I returned the old ones. he included a return shipping label with the new one. I got the new one in two days and the next day UPS picked up the old one. easy peasey. great customer service.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/15 13:12:31
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Last year I bought an Impulse (new) from Sweetwater that had obviously been opened before. When I tested the board out, I was having issues getting a response from it so I contacted my rep about it. I mentioned the issues with the board but didn't mention that it had been opened because I didn't want to come across as a whiner and the issue with the board was more important. He had me try a couple things then we RMA'd it and I got a new one sent out. I figured the one that had been opened may have been shipped to someone else and sent back for a refund which technically would still be considered new?
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/16 11:51:04
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Thanks for your replies. I just was curious since both mics came from gearfest. (or as my spellcheck calls it gabfest) They seem to have more demos after Christmas, so I'll be shopping for another mic.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/16 14:40:01
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Paul P It's usually pretty easy to see if a box has been opened or not. One time I told the salesman I wanted an opened box and he replied "it had to be opened to put the item inside". I bought a camera once from a once respectful camera shop (back before I learned to look at what I was buying), and found the guarantee card in the box filled out by the previous buyer. I took it back, got a full refund, and never went back.
Be thankful it was only a camera. Many years ago, a parking garage in downtown Chicago got caught doing swaps. It was a stacked garage, with 2 car elevators. Staff took your car up the elevator, parked it, and retrieved it for you when you returned. When you dropped the car off, they'd ask how long you'd be, ostensibly to help them decide where to park the car. Not. A guy retrieved his new Corvette, made it about one block down the street, before the engine fell out! Turned out that the garage had been doing engine swaps on order. A guy needs a new engine for his beamer? Place an order with these guys, they call you when they get a sucker. You go down with your beamer and they swap engines. What happened that time? They forget to replace the engine mount bolts! Ha ha ha. They never did learn how many suckers never figured out where their engines got swapped out.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/16 17:48:12
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Olive2sing, if they are bad I would contact Sweetwater. According to what my Sweetwater sales rep commented I would think they are under warranty. Since you are close by, can't hurt to take them in and see if they will replace them.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/17 09:55:13
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Since some of you are remarking about NYC camera shops, I was wondering about a widely known one (letterB&letterH). While I haven't had any issues with the little I have bought from them but is there anything I (we) should know?
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/17 10:03:19
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I've bought a lot of stuff (a camera lens, disc printer, CD-r's, etc) from them and never a problem. Well packed compared to some and usually same day shipping.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/17 10:47:30
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LetterBLetterH is very reputable. I've purchased a lot of gear from them and never had a problem.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/17 13:00:58
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You Americans are lucky. I wish I could deal with Sweetwater but they think Hawaii is closer than Ontario and won't ship stuff up here. I'm lusting after a guitar that they have on sale for $299. In Canada it will cost me $800. There's hardly any small music stores left because the 1 Canadian super chain has bought them or put them out of business. Unfortunately that 1 chain sucks big time. I traded in an amp once and found it on sale as new one month later. When I challenged them about it I was tossed from the store. Don't complain America, you're rolling in tall clover.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/17 18:21:27
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Thanks Fireberd, I took your suggestion and called my guy at sweetwater. First I talked to his assistant, and he thought I had some settings wrong in my voice live. When Brian called me back, he said there was no warranty after 2 years. I understand this I make judgments on warranties almost every day. with my employer I can warranty things long after the warranty is expired, if I see something wasn't installed right. But I cant do that with factory warranties on parts. Brian did tell me he had lots of mics at home he doesn't need, and he is going to bring one in tomorrow for me to pick up and try.(You should know I knew Brian before he worked at Sweetwater) So this may solve my problem. At least I'll have something to use. After all the suggestions I thought it would be a good idea to try the mic on different preamps. So using a different cable I tried it into my ZED14, and it was a little better but still popped. I tried both channels of my tube pre. It was worse than the the voice live on ch1 and about the same on ch2. The two channels have completely different circuits, but do use the same transformers. I hope I solve this because it's no fun this way, and I just don't use the voice live these days. I'm at the point in my life where I don't want to collect more gear. I have more mics than my daughter can use when I'm dead, and my oldest boy is more into photography than music now, so I din't think he'll want any mics. At least I can tell him where not to buy a Camera.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/17 21:35:18
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ampfixer You Americans are lucky. I wish I could deal with Sweetwater but they think Hawaii is closer than Ontario and won't ship stuff up here. I'm lusting after a guitar that they have on sale for $299. In Canada it will cost me $800. ... Don't complain America, you're rolling in tall clover.
Setting aside the fact that we're getting hammered by our falling dollar, I just for the first time ordered some things from B&H (because they had a tablet cover for my wife in a colour not available in Canada). Free shipping over 99$ (Purolator) and they take care of customs/taxes for a very small surcharge (12$ total, cdn tax and duty, on a 100$ order). They even sent my four items in two shipments. The first took two days and the second three (NYC to Montreal). Fastest and cheapest I've ever experienced, and I've bought a lot of stuff from the US. I bought my Sennheiser HD280 headphones from Sweetwater a few years ago.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/19 11:33:37
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☄ Helpfulby steveo42 2015/12/19 13:58:42
I quickly skimmed thru this thread... so if this has already been mentioned, I apologize. First, there isn't a problem with purchasing discounted gear from GearFest. I went last year... and got a fantastic deal on a PRS guitar. It's flawless. GearFest has turned into a HUGE event. "Disneyland for musicians" Millions of dollars in gear is sold that weekend. Manufacturers give Sweetwater great pricing... knowing they're going to make significant sales. Regarding both the SM57 and SM58: An SM57 has no built-in protection against "plosives". Any SM57 will "pop" if you sing directly into it. An SM58 has a small bit of foam inside the grill. That helps, but it likely won't be enough for strong "P", "B", or "T" plosives... where a lot of air is sent directly toward the capsule.
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/19 20:11:46
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DrLumen Since some of you are remarking about NYC camera shops, I was wondering about a widely known one (letterB&letterH). While I haven't had any issues with the little I have bought from them but is there anything I (we) should know?
I've purchased many items (cameras, musical equipment and TV's) from B&H and have nothing but excellent service, delivery, and pricing from them. I put them in the same league as Sweetwater that is my usual go to facitlity for music stuff. I just bought a Behringer X-Touch from B&H this week since Sweetwater was out with no new inventory in sight. Walt
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Re: Could we be getting factory seconds from Gearfest?
2015/12/20 07:15:23
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Jim Roseberry I quickly skimmed thru this thread... so if this has already been mentioned, I apologize. First, there isn't a problem with purchasing discounted gear from GearFest. I went last year... and got a fantastic deal on a PRS guitar. It's flawless. GearFest has turned into a HUGE event. "Disneyland for musicians" Millions of dollars in gear is sold that weekend. Manufacturers give Sweetwater great pricing... knowing they're going to make significant sales. Regarding both the SM57 and SM58: An SM57 has no built-in protection against "plosives". Any SM57 will "pop" if you sing directly into it. An SM58 has a small bit of foam inside the grill. That helps, but it likely won't be enough for strong "P", "B", or "T" plosives... where a lot of air is sent directly toward the capsule.
Thanks Jim I've been waiting to hear how the 57 should work with vocals. Like I said I bought the 57 for recording electric guitar, something I don't even play that much. The 58 was my concern since I had used one for 20 years without this problem. In fact now that I know more about the 57, I can say the 58 is the only thing from Sweetwater I've had trouble with. BTW; I saw you there Saturday morning talking with Craig before his seminar. My day at Gearfest was cut short when my Wife called me and had broken her foot. But I did have time to get a new pickup, for My accustic guitar. And it is great. Friday I popped into Sweetwater and picked up a Blue enCORE 100. This is the one Brian brought in from home. I tried it out yesterday. It works great I get a little popping on some louder P's, but nothing on the B's that annoyed me with the 58. It is fun to use the voicelive again. It must be that Sweetwater difference we read about so much.
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