JoeHans
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Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
Hi, I'm baffled with the ASIO4ALL drivers behavior on my laptop. I know ASIO4ALL is not the best way to use a sound card but seems to be the only way to use Sonar if I don't want to drag my USB EMU device along with the laptop. The problem is that I need to open the driver settings window and close it a few times to get any sound from ASIO4ALL. I don't know what the opening and closing technically does but it seems to help. There are no problems with using EMU 0404USB or Axe FX II interface. ProTools 11 works just fine with ASIO4ALL so it is not completely the ASIO4ALL to blame. Any advice? PS. Just upgraded to Sonar Platinum and... WOW! Really pleased what has happened since X3. EDIT: The integrated soundcards are Sound Blaster Cinema and some Realtek card. The configuration is a bit confusing though since the only thing showing up in ASIO4ALL panel is Realtek. I tried to uninstall ASIO4ALL and try the WMD drivers but nothing shows up in Sonar so I reinstalled the A4A.
post edited by JoeHans - 2015/12/27 07:58:02
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/27 08:36:32
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Sonar can use any sound driver that Windows uses.. This includes MME WDM ASIO and WASAPI. If Asio4all is working one of those drivers has to be available. In the Playback and Recording section under audio in preferences what driver modes are listed?
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/27 08:47:10
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Hi. I tried A4A, but uninstalled it due to being inconsistent on my system. On my laptop, I use WASAPI drivers (Win 10) with luck. All the best.
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/27 09:38:32
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I would try disabling the Sound Blaster Cinema in my device manager so that ASIO4ALL only finds the Realtek when it looks for an audio card.
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/27 09:45:30
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Brando I would try disabling the Sound Blaster Cinema in my device manager so that ASIO4ALL only finds the Realtek when it looks for an audio card.
you can also do this within the a4a gui good luck!
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/27 14:23:20
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If it's only for editing and playback I usually use MME and a large-ish buffer.
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/27 17:02:55
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Sanderxpander If it's only for editing and playback I usually use MME and a large-ish buffer.
This did also work. I "just ended" on WASAPI, because it was stable. All the best.
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JoeHans
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/28 10:31:26
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I tried using different drivers than ASIO and Sonar complains about the default audio format which is setup to 48kHz 24bit engine. For some reason the wave profiler seems to think the Realtek can't handle 24bit. Also it is a bit strange that the only device I can actually see anywhere (device manager etc) is Realtek. But if I open up the Sound Blaster Cinema application it completely controls the sound. The laptop I'm using is MSI Gp60LE ( http://www.msi.com/product/notebook/GP60-2PE-Leopard.html#hero-overview). There is only one line out available physically.
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/28 12:41:40
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I use my trusty UA-101, but sometimes use asio4all. AFAIK, asio4all only supports 44100. Not 100% sure. Try changing your project sample rate. EDIT: Check "Always Resample 44.1 <> 48". Hope this helps.
post edited by ChazEd - 2015/12/28 13:00:39
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/28 16:28:10
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I have a laptop with a realtek and I use ASIO4ALL all the time. I also use an RME UFX in the studio, but since it's a rack mount interface, it's definitely not good for mixing tunes on the couch with my laptop! I also have the soundblaster stuff, I disabled all that. Mine seems to work fine, but you have to get the ASIO4ALL driver set up right. In sonar, go to the ASIO panel and bring it up. It'll show you the ASIO4ALL panel, just make sure the only thing selected is the Realtek HD Audio output, I have 0 for both in/out latency compensation, and None of the options checked. I have my buffer set to 1024 samples. With those settings, when I plug in my RME UFX, it takes over and bypasses the ASIO4ALL drivers. That allows me to use the RME as it was designed with the manufacturer ASIO drivers. When I disconnect the RME and use the lapto,. I have to go into preferences and select the ASIO4ALL output 1 in devices. The reason I use ASIO4ALL instead of switching to MME or WASAPI is that for me, switching between one of those and ASIO always caused problems. I could never get it to switch back/forth seamlessly without problems. With ASIO4ALL, I switch back/forth without issue. When I plug in my RME, I do nothing and it works. When I go back all I have to do is select the 1st output in devices. gabo
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/28 18:51:48
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JoeHans I tried using different drivers than ASIO and Sonar complains about the default audio format which is setup to 48kHz 24bit engine. For some reason the wave profiler seems to think the Realtek can't handle 24bit. Also it is a bit strange that the only device I can actually see anywhere (device manager etc) is Realtek. But if I open up the Sound Blaster Cinema application it completely controls the sound. The laptop I'm using is MSI Gp60LE (http://www.msi.com/product/notebook/GP60-2PE-Leopard.html#hero-overview). There is only one line out available physically.
Make sure you have the Realtek configured for 24-bit operation. From the system tray, right click on the Speaker icon, and select Recording devices. Highlight the Realtek input and click on Properties. Select the Advanced tab and set your Default Format from the drop down. For example, Also, from another thread today or yesterday, I learned that ASIO4ALL is merely a wrapper for the WDM/KS driver. If you can access the WDM/KS driver from your app, as SONAR can, ASIO4ALL buys you nothing but trouble. To be complete, there is a use for it in that scenario (multiple audio i/f device support). If you've done this already, play back your favorite Roseanna Roseannadanna clip! Neeeeeeeever mind!
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/28 19:37:10
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I think Sonar works really well with WDM drivers, though I usually use ASIO however (and I am not sure about this) but I think you can only use ASIO for one device, if that is a consideration. I have never heard anything good about ASIO4ALL except when people first start using it, in the long run most people lose ASIO4ALL because of trouble. I'd try WDM if I were you. Of course using Direct Monitoring whenever you can is good too. Most people here have forgotten more than I've ever known so, YMMV. I DO know that Sonar should see your devices and any drivers. I also know that with specific, detailed questions. You WILL get the answer here. Always. This is the best group of people on the internet. J
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/29 08:56:19
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Thanks guys! I will try these tonight or tomorrow if I dont get a chance today. The asio4a actually works pretty well after I just manage to get some sound out of it. And I think I didn't have realtek adjusted to 24bit so that would explain the problems with wasapi. I'll report how it went later on! This forum rocks. 😊
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/30 10:43:15
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It seems that my Realtek can't record 24bit audio and that is messing up with WASAPI and WDM.  The output looks a bit different: The good news is I found simple and quite obvious reason for ASIO4ALL problems. My buffer was set to 128 samples and it seems that's too low. I never really had any problems with the playback when recording midi or mixing so didn't think it might be the cause. But setting up the ASIO4ALL buffer to the suggested 1024 samples helped and now the projects start to play immediately. Yay! Thanks for helpful comments and suggestions!
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Re: Laptop integrated sound card and ASIO4ALL
2015/12/30 21:28:39
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Whenever I take my laptop out I usually take this along too:  i.e. a Line6 GX. I can't get decent audio performance otherwise. It's the smallest/lightest/cheapest 24-bit interface that I'm aware of.
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