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Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
I'm sure this has been covered before but I haven't found the correct search words apparently.
I have Platinum which I use for my fairly basic recordings (usually a combination of audio and midi in every project), but with all the rapid-fire changes and additions it seems to be a gargantuan task to keep up with them all in order to utilize them with mastery. To me, the product and the frequent changes/additions seem to be a bit overwhelming.
This isn't a complaint, but rather I'm trying to see if there is an effective way to understand and master the frequent changes and still have time to make music. I love the software... it just seems so gigantic to me.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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I can't keep up because I am a hobbyist and many of the features are beyond me. I do the monthly updates because the core application keeps getting stronger and faster. That's what I'm looking for and the new options will be there one day if I need them.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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I would suggest that you read the ezine that is produced with each release and see if anything particular strikes you as something you would benefit from. All the updates to the core product are accumulative so if you skip one or two you are not going to lose out on core fixes and additions.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/12/28 13:15:40
Don't think of them as "changes" because for the most part nothing major has actually changed since last January (and even those changes were rather minor).
What the new stuff is is more "additions" so you don't have to learn the new stuff until you decide you'd like to use it.
Basically just keep doing what you are doing and you should be fine. Read the monthly eZines to keep an eye on what new goodies have been included though (they are a pretty light read). That way if you have a project that might benefit from the new features you are aware of them and can study them further as the need arises.
I do think Cake is being careful not to cause any massive disruptions with the new release cycle. Essentially it is X3... just more refined and with more tools/features.
If something weird DOES get in your way you can just ask us or re-read the eZines/manual entries to find out what's going on.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 13:01:25
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steambc
I'm sure this has been covered before but I haven't found the correct search words apparently.
I have Platinum which I use for my fairly basic recordings (usually a combination of audio and midi in every project), but with all the rapid-fire changes and additions it seems to be a gargantuan task to keep up with them all in order to utilize them with mastery. To me, the product and the frequent changes/additions seem to be a bit overwhelming.
This isn't a complaint, but rather I'm trying to see if there is an effective way to understand and master the frequent changes and still have time to make music. I love the software... it just seems so gigantic to me.
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Some of the important changes do not require you to understand how they work or how to use them. Mainly stability fixes and speed increases. When I started with X1 I was alway getting audio drop outs (most likely due to my computer) and the white screen of death. As the new releases came out (X2, X3 and now Splat) stability improved and now it's rare that I get a crash. As far as understanding the functional improvements, some don't take much time at all to master and others I just spend some time each day reading the tutorials, and of course this forum. Walt
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 13:05:06
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I'm waiting for the 30 minute video tutorial on Style Dials..... 
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/28 15:26:13
Basically don't stress yourself to have to keep up. Because then it becomes pointless as the whole purpose is supposed to be to make Sonar more productive and at the same time more enjoyable to create music. So I generally breeze through the updates, install them and use what I need. If I don't need a feature or goodie today, so be it. I may need it tomorrow, I'll have it then. And there's always the documentation to refer to and more so the forum to reach out to when stuck. Happy music making 
post edited by ramscapri - 2015/12/28 14:35:54
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/12/28 16:09:06
charlyg
I'm waiting for the 30 minute video tutorial on Style Dials.....
Insert. Turn up the dial. Listen. Decide. I can see where these could be hard to keep up with. 
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 14:45:22
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I do what "ramscapri" suggests and just do not worry about new features. I read the ezine and take note of new things that I might personally use, but it is not necessary to use any new features (except things like the start screen). New additions are nice but you are not required to use them! I say relax, learn what you immediately need for your music. If you get stuck you have access to the best user forum in the world of DAWs.
I always update my system to get the bug fixes and enhancements that I may or may not put into my work flow. Once you get used to the basics of Sonar, the rest is easy.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/12/28 16:09:17
As far as trying to keep up with everything in SONAR Platinum ? Not gonna happen in my life time or anytime soon ... I march to the beat of a different drum machine and I have to use mental tools just to be able to keep my expectations in check . The reason for that is I may expect way more out of myself than I can ever possibly deliver . Example , It would be foolish of me to think that I could learn every song that was ever written or learn how to spell and use every word in the dictionary , so I use that type of concept when it comes to learning my way around SONAR. I'm currently learning what I can about some of the new features that come in SPlat by working SONAR cafeteria style . The important thing for me is to always keep the music first . Kenny
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/12/28 16:09:19
@kenny... I'll make you a deal.
If something is tripping you up let me know and I'll try to help.
In exchange for this service... you just keep bein' awesome.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 18:06:48
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Good perspectives from almost all.
I think that I've always been the kind of person who really likes to master his tools and to know everything about them, including every capability and nuance. This applies both to work tools and software. I get a certain joy from knowing that I'm maximizing the tool's potential.
I understand that this can't happen with something as complex as Sonar. I'll have to mentally reduce the size of the tool and concentrate on the parts that I know I need, while ignoring the existence of the others until I'm ready for them. That has been the source of vague discomfort... knowing that they're there.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 18:09:52
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I try to kinda get around to trying the new stuff maybe tomorrow, ya know.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 18:58:50
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We designed it so you can update it on your schedule. If updating every 6 months suits you better, that is an option. Nothing is required but as others have said, if you see something you need to have you can go ahead and update. And once you have done the core, the updates don't take too long. And of course, if you believe your current version was working better than the new one you updated, you can easily roll back. So basically, it's pretty flexible to work around your needs.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 20:23:14
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All good ideas! I do not want to keep up with everything in the software. I suspect if you plugged in a key logger onto my machine, you'll find I MAYBE use 2% of the product. And that's probably overstated. I tend to learn by watching this forum for things I have heard of before or things I'm trying to do now. Mr. Anderton is a really good source of things I've heard of that I want to try. I also watch a lot of YouTube material, like anything from Pensados Place. Once I see it, or hear it - I want to try it out in the DAW environment.
My learning if you will, is more organic instead of software driven. That all said, Sonar almost always has the tools to make the audio art and engineering happen. With other DAW's - I may need to buy or find a free vst to 'try out' an idea. In most cases, Sonar Platinum has everything I need to learn or apply a new found technique, or principle. The cool thing about monthly releases is I stay up to date with that crazy development cycle that is driven in part, by constant change in the music industry. Cakewalk is chasing that crazy curve better than most in my humble opinion.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 20:34:05
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I never really give any thought to "keeping up", myself. I always read the release notes, and sometimes, like with Drum Replacer, there'll be something that's directly useful to what I'm working on. In that case, I was mixing an album that had a badly recorded kick drum throughout, so it came at just the right time.
Generally though, I just get on with what I'm doing. I only really take time out to learn new features at the moment they become useful or necessary.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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You go into a restaurant. There's a menu with a whole bunch of entrees. You choose one, you like it, and next time you come back to the restaurant, you try a different entree...maybe. Or maybe you liked the first one so much, you order it again. But I'm pretty sure that no matter which restaurant you like, you've not tried EVERYTHING on the menu One of SONAR's strengths, and the reason why I use it, is because it can handle a huge variety of tasks. Some updates, features, and content are relevant only to particular workflows or styles of music. If they don't relate to you, it's not necessary to learn them. Remember, all that matters is the emotional impact of your music on your listeners...and the personal process of self-discovery. SONAR may give you a massive number of tools, but you don't need all of them. Choose the ones you want...then make compelling music so you can help change the world. P.S. Theoretically, my car can go up to 140 MPH, but I've never taken it over 90...same principle
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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I can't keep up because I am a hobbyist and many of the features are beyond me. I do the monthly updates because the core application keeps getting stronger and faster. That's what I'm looking for and the new options will be there one day if I need them.
Same here. I do make it a point to experiment with features I haven't used yet, or haven't used much. Believe it or not, I'm just now getting to know AudioSnap Now at the end of the first year I can honestly say that Sonar has become a little more stable and a little more peppy with each of the Oh-15 releases. Some of the new stuff I took up with right away like Control Bar enhancements. I'm using Aux Tracks (Patch Points), but nowhere near their full potential. For my use Sonar has gotten to the point that some of the convenience FRs are more appealing to me than deep, technical capability stuff. Song section/region ruler, better color management, chord tracks would be really nice. More workflow enhancements and bug squashing along with working on things like expanding keybinding capability are what I would like to see most. You know, while I'm figuring out how to use what Sonar already has. Oh-16 should be a great year now that the Bakers have hit their stride with the new model.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 21:06:42
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Who says we keep up with the changes? 
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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Very useful info on different approaches. Sonar is a very deep program and there is a lot to learn. But then again, the study of any craft or art can be a lifelong pursuit if it's what you love. Learn a little every day to suit your current goals and musical needs. While I would hardly describe myself as a power user, I find myself making use of many of the features, sometimes more than others depending what I'm trying to achieve. Sometimes this will involve thinking outside the box or trying things I am not very familiar with, but I have rarely run into a situation where I cannot get the results I am looking for. Between the resources available on the net, the experience of the people I am fortunate enough to collaborate with and the truly generous advice to be found on this forum, I am able to create music which I wouldn't have thought possible not so very long ago. To circle back to the OP's question, I don't think I really try to keep up with all the changes. I use the challenges of the current song or project to inspire me to find a way to do what is needed, and I usually find that Sonar is up to that challenge with a little effort on my part to learn about a feature or tool. Wanting to master your craft is a admirable goal, and I wish you much joy in your endeavors.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
2015/12/28 22:52:30
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I try to use a feature at least once. Even if I never use it again, at least the process is in the recesses of my memory.
I've said it often, when someone has a problem or wants to know a technique or process I try to use the manual to teach myself the process/technique.
This ultimately teaches me something I may not normally use in my usual workflow and it makes me more familiar with the reference guide. Manuals are beasts to negotiate as there's a certain amount of getting into the authors head to understand their logic processes. That in itself is a worthwhile practice. Especially as a manual is not a book with a single author nor is it ever written start to finish. It is an evolutionary document.
All these thing give me a familiarity that I wouldn't have if I just used Sonar for my specific workflow.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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Feature Idea : [for FORUM not for SONAR, it already has lots of feature] There can be a Sonar Teachers Forum. Some from here will be voluntary teachers (as they are now already) some of us will be students. There will be lessons, questionnaires, HOME TASKs "The Cake Classroom"
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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I've said this before but I agree with the OP in that I find it a bit tedious to "stay with the program". I'm a professional musician but I don't work in the studio all day every day. Sometimes a month goes by when I'm mostly playing live. What bothers me personally is that it is hard to figure out whether or not a "next version" will be more stable or will screw some things up, even disregarding new features. The last two updates seem to have focused on stability which is very welcome to me, but earlier in the year there were many bug reports and even the previous Kingston version had serious issues with the accompanying synth updates. I'm not sure what the "ultimate solution" is here. I have skipped a few versions but end up eventually updating anyway. I read about issues with one version and then decide to skip that one, only to install the next one and read about new issues.
At the same time, I will admit that this is mostly a "feeling" than a quantifiable number of issues I've had and I have personally, on the whole, had fewer problems with Platinum than I did with the early X3 releases. X3e was very good but X3a and b had some pretty serious bugs for my use.
The lesson to draw here, I think, is that rollbacks are easy and if your internet connection is good, the whole update/rollback procedure is pretty quick and painless. So use it freely.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/12/29 13:54:41
A lot of the bugs reported in updates are fairly esoteric and do not affect other functionality. Those that have been considered serious typically get a hotfix shortly thereafter. For example when upsampling was introduced, it had problems if there were tempo changes in the song. So if you had tempo changes in a song, all you had to do was not use upsampling with it. IIRC there was a hotfix for it within two weeks, and upsampling has been smooth sailing ever since.
In most cases an update adds features more than change familiar ones. This is why I recommend just downloading the update to get the stability enhancements and bug fixes. You can learn about the new features, if indeed you're motivated to do so, at your convenience. If you do encounter a bug that actually affects the way you do music, then you can rollback but I doubt that would be necessary very often, if at all, depending on how you work.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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One question... what will happen in regards to Vsts as they are phased out? for example one day Dim Pro will be shelved and products such Th2 will upgraded.
So when I update my computer setup in 2017 and find some vsts considered 'legacy' in my Sonar files missing how will I be able to get them running?
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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One question... what will happen in regards to Vsts as they are phased out? for example one day Dim Pro will be shelved and products such Th2 will upgraded.
So when I update my computer setup in 2017 and find some vsts considered 'legacy' in my Sonar files missing how will I be able to get them running?
I consider this one of the biggest limitations in computer-based recording in general. When I've pulled up older projects in various programs, a lot of times a plug-in will be missing. Sometimes it's just a minor annoyance because I can substitute something else, sometimes it's a major problem. Often the problem is that an older plug-in is no longer compatible with a newer operating system. Another is that if you need to re-install, the installer for a plug-in might not work on a newer operating system, in which case you're also pretty much hosed. There is no solution I know of to resurrect dead plug-ins. This is why when I finish a project, I render all the tracks as audio (see the Friday's Tip of the Week on Future-Proof Backup). That way if all else fails, I will still have the results of using the plug-in, if not access to the plug-in itself.
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Re: Platinum - How do you guys keep up with the changes
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I "Roll" with 'em
.....I'll see myself out.
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I try to use a feature at least once. Even if I never use it again, at least the process is in the recesses of my memory.
^^ This is how I try to keep up with the changes. If I like / need it I will keep using it. All the best.
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