Purrrfect Drums

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2005/01/07 10:43:16 (permalink)

Purrrfect Drums

I am thinking about purchasing this suite of samples. Does anyone have any experience with them? Would you care to give your opinion?

Thanks,

Dan Monaghan
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    HammerHead
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 10:55:16 (permalink)
    Best cymbal samples available IMHO... you'll have to trim them
    as they are huge unless you use a sampler that streams from disk.......

    The cymbal samples are allowed to ring all the way to silence, most
    with many seconds of silence after any perceptible signal is left, which
    makes for huge wavs.

    The drums samples are ok.

    I prefer DFH1 for drum samples.
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    danhazer
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 10:58:19 (permalink)
    I prefer DFH1 for drum samples.

    Hammer, that's good to know, thanks. I am really most interested in getting good drums because I won't be replacing cymbals (I'm using Drumagog).

    I have heard others comment that they like the DFH1 better than the DFH2. Is the DFH1 something that can still be bought? If so, do you have a recommendation about where to get it?

    Thanks,

    Dan Monaghan
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    HammerHead
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 11:04:04 (permalink)
    try here :

    http://www.eastwestsamples.com


    thats where i got it. of course that was several years ago.
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    danhazer
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 11:10:29 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: HammerHead

    try here :

    http://www.eastwestsamples.com


    thats where i got it. of course that was several years ago.

    Great. I'll check it out. Do you happen to know what is the difference between the DFH and DFHS?

    Thanks again,

    Dan Monaghan
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 11:15:05 (permalink)
    Do you happen to know what is the difference between the DFH and DFHS?
    DFH is just samples, and nicely eq'ed and comp'ed, ready to use.
    DFHS is a full re-wire sample player system that focusses on bleed through and are raw samples, needing the user to apply eq and comp. The work flow is more complex, you have to do a lot of trial and error off line processing to get the waves, etc.

    The DFHS samples are very good, but I ended up just using the samples in a Kontakt setting.
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 11:18:35 (permalink)
    Thanks Ed. It is shapping up to look like what I need is just the basic DFH and would prefer that to Purrrfect because the drum samples are better...

    Thanks again,

    Dan Monaghan
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 11:23:29 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: danhazer

    Thanks Ed. It is shapping up to look like what I need is just the basic DFH and would prefer that to Purrrfect because the drum samples are better...

    Thanks again,



    If you go the DFH1 route get the add on pack as well. There are additional
    kick, snare, tom (and cymbal) samples....the toms from DFH1 are a little
    mushy.

    The DFH1 add-on pack toms are better , with more layers + there's additional
    snare layers & hits.
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 15:43:57 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: danhazer
    Great. I'll check it out. Do you happen to know what is the difference between the DFH and DFHS?

    I have both, but I still find myself using the cheaper DFH because it's easier to use. With DFH, you'll need a sampler player. Dr008 works really well for drum samples; VSampler takes more time to set up, but also works well.

    DFHS has 9+Gig of samples. It has a built-in sampler which can do some tricks for you (alternate drum hits), add mic leakage of other drums per mic, add ambient sound, respond to the HH controller on VDrums. It's rewire and/or VSTi which requires more tricks to manage the bussing (for panning etc). I would imagine that with the right person using DFHS and a lot of time, you could make it indistinguishable from real drumming to 99.9% of listeners--with DFH you might fool 95%. (Obviously, I'm making up these numbers, but you get the point). DFHS are raw samples, and the outputs reflect the mic's--not the drums.

    DFH sounds pretty good as is, but still needs a little touch up for most usages. Many feel like the kick needs to be gated some; probably most people will add some compression and maybe EQ to the snare and toms.

    Also, when I bought DFHS, they were offering it as an upgrade to DFH... eastwest was having an additional sale at the time, so all told, I spent about $270 for both, and am happy to have both.
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 16:14:32 (permalink)
    DFH sounds pretty good as is, but still needs a little touch up for most usages. Many feel like the kick needs to be gated some; probably most people will add some compression and maybe EQ to the snare and toms.

    I went out and got DFH 2 for $85 from GC. I will be happy if I can save the samples into gog format for Drumagog. I would hope that the samples themselves are somewhat flat and unprocessed so that I can mess with them, but also high quality.

    Thanks,

    Dan Monaghan
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/07 17:25:05 (permalink)
    I've heard that the samples in DFH 2 are flat. I've also heard of problems with DFH 2 (which isn't supported by ToonTrak), but I think the issues related to the sample player. I'm assuming you can access the samples though building the kits may be tedious since there will probably be 10 or more velocity layers per drum.

    You might also check out AWave at http://www.fmjsoft.com/ . They provide a cool utility for converting sample sets from one format to another.
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/08 10:27:43 (permalink)
    AFAIK - You can't access the DFH2 samples w/o the sample-engine (KOMPAKT).

    I have both and I tend to use DFH/DR-008 more, but that's more from familiarity. DFH2 sounds great but I'm not used to it yet.

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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/08 11:14:47 (permalink)
    AFAIK - You can't access the DFH2 samples w/o the sample-engine (KOMPAKT).

    Great. I just wated $85.

    Dan Monaghan
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/10 15:45:31 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: danhazer

    AFAIK - You can't access the DFH2 samples w/o the sample-engine (KOMPAKT).

    Great. I just wated $85.

    I can rebuild the samples for use with Drumagog by an arduous process of re-sampling the DFH and then creating gogs out of them. PITA? Yes. But will it work? Also, yes. I should have been smart and went with something in a non-proprietary format, but hey, it's part of the learning process and it was only an $85 dollar + several hours lesson.

    Thanks,
    < Message edited by danhazer -- 1/10/2005 2:53:05 PM >

    Dan Monaghan
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/10 18:55:36 (permalink)
    DFHS here. If you like a challenge, these are drums for you. However, in the end, absolutely stunning results.
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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2005/01/11 10:51:09 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: danhazer

    AFAIK - You can't access the DFH2 samples w/o the sample-engine (KOMPAKT).

    Great. I just wated $85.


    How so? DFH2 comes "wrapped" in the KOMPAKT sample engine - which works OK.

    I have 2 issues with DFH2 (vs. DFH1 w/DR-008):
    - The sound of the drums are really flat. You have to tweak them extsensively (not a huge deal, just much more aggresive use of COMP and EQ)
    - It uses more RAM and CPU - this is to be expected for 2 reasons: the samples are 24-bit vs 16 and it loads more of them. *However* - even on my 3.0ghz p4 with 1.5gig of RAM - DFH2 will drop notes way too often. I've mucked with the DFD settings to no effect.

    I can only conclude that if you want to use DFH2 reliably - you'll need at least 2gig of RAM and turn DFD off.

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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2006/02/03 20:24:50 (permalink)
    I bought a sample pack that was totally devoted to Sabian cymbals. They're all one shots (full volume) but since the stuff I'm doin is rockin, I don't need any light taps. Give me balls to the wall crashes, banging rides, and big chinas...

    anyway, here's the link: www.databullet.com

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    RE: Purrrfect Drums 2006/02/04 10:34:44 (permalink)
    purrrfect drums cymbals are awesome. i am also using a bunch of the tom samples for doubling/replacement on a project now. i really like the big yamaha tom samples... nice
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