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2016/01/09 13:09:09 (permalink)

SSD performance differences

I installed 3 Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB drives. The OS drive looks spectacular in Magician software benching results. 100% in read/write, 85-90% in randoms. Awesome.
 
But the 2 samples drives are at best 60ish% in their read/50ish% writes, and as low as 37% in randoms. Is this typical for non-OS drives to be this poor performing? Both are set as SATA 3. ACHI mode activated (I think that's default). Only 2/3 of each drive free.  I was in hopes the sample drives would BLAZE streaming samples in SPLAT... Overprovisioning the sample drives provided no performance boost while ating up almost 50GB of space. There is a rapid mode that can be set for 1 drive only. Should that be the samples drive I use the most or the OS?
Advice necessary and appreciated - thanks!
 
 
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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 14:49:54 (permalink)
Also posted this on a pc forum. No responses. Is this normal behavior in sample streaming drives?
 

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 15:24:33 (permalink)
Not Samsungs so I don't know if the make makes a difference and I haven't tested them in a while, but my Intels benchmark the same whether used as OS or data disks.
 
Generally speaking SSDs have very fast access times compared to electro-mechanical drives which ought to pay off on a drive containing lots of samples, assuming the sample files are small.
 
Benchmarking doesn't always relate to real world performance, and different test software can give very different results. Even if SSDs didn't beat HDDs for speed there'd still be an argument for using them in DAWS - they're silent and use very little power, which means a lower-rated psu can be used (including finless ones) which in turn means less noise emitted by the PC.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 15:49:40 (permalink)
What motherboard? I wonder if there is a difference between the SATA ports the different SSDs are connected to? I wonder if it is worth trying swapping SATA cables and ports to eliminate that possibility?
 
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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 15:56:14 (permalink)
All SATA ports are SAT 3. Would there be a difference within them then? MOBO is Asus P8P67 pro rev 3.1

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 16:04:18 (permalink)
http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/Identify_B3_Motherboards/
 
Is yours the B3 revision? If not, there seems to be an issue with SATA ports on the original version. Although that page says you can use B3 BIOS and drivers, it's not clear if that fixes the problem. This might all be a red herring, but worth eliminating.
 
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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 16:06:23 (permalink)
On further reading, I suspect your Rev 3.1 is B3.
 

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 16:12:42 (permalink)
One more thing (then I need to go to work). It looks like that mobo has two SATA 6 ports (one dark blue and one white one - not sure why they are different colors), and two SATA 3 ports (light blue). Is it possible that the OS SSD is connected to a SATA 6 port, and the other SSDs are on the light blue SATA 3 ports?
 

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 16:24:38 (permalink)
Apparently the DL site is down. I don't see Win 10 drivers for the rev 3.1 even. 8.1 is most recent. Makes me wonder if that is in play...
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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 17:05:09 (permalink)
It has 4 3 gb sata 3 light blue ports. Nothing but dvd plugged into them.2 gray 6gb. I have my os in one. I had Barracuda in the other. I swapped it with one of the ssds to see if it would run faster. OS still in same port. PC won't load windows. Right up to the spinning icon on the windows screen, but screen goes black. I took all drives but OS out, it does the same thing. Why is this?
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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 17:06:18 (permalink)
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One more thing (then I need to go to work). It looks like that mobo has two SATA 6 ports (one dark blue and one white one - not sure why they are different colors), and two SATA 3 ports (light blue). Is it possible that the OS SSD is connected to a SATA 6 port, and the other SSDs are on the light blue SATA 3 ports?
 




SATA 6 vs SATA 3 is what first came to mind for me.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 17:44:07 (permalink)
I got it back up running after 2 more reboots?!? Anyway, I changed the drives around to see if the non OS would run any faster in the grey sata 6gb than the blue 6gb ports. No difference at all. Makes me wonder if I bought anything other than quieter drives. I don't understand how the OS drive is so amazing and the others are so seemingly pedestrian.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 18:23:53 (permalink)
I went so far as to plug the cable from the good OS drive into the other 2 drives. It made no difference, and the OS drive still performed peak, the others meh. It also performed peak in the same slots as the others. I am kinda lost about this - are they defective?

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 18:58:30 (permalink)
I also have that MB and in addition to only two 6GB/s connections the BIOS I run was not on ASUS's website for a long time (and forget if it ever was, since it has a fruity build number and date - like it was outsourced to AM). That particular MB was ASUS trying to jump the gun on new technology, and not all of it happened.

PassMark's benchtest is a better program to check your machine. They have a free trial and will do the entire machine. Realize the entire system needs evaluation to be valid.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/10 22:14:23 (permalink)
I ran PassMark. It seems to only test 1 drive. PC is as I thought - really it's pretty good, crap video card. Do video cards slow down Sonar? I know it's redraws, especially during playback are stuttery.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/11 01:11:54 (permalink)
SONAR is not intensive for video at all, so even a moderate card for graphics is fine. Ironically even high-end 3D cards don't "excel" at 2D either... they are geared for 3D, not 2D, so a heavy-handed 3D card still isn't going to gain much in the 2D realm (and unnecessary).
 
Bottom line, if the performance isn't obviously bad, looking at benchmarking software can just get folks focused on "non-practical application." The SSD on the Program/OS drive is #1 priority (and most benefit), and seems you have that. Max-throughput on a data drive is rarely going to be achieved and really unnecessary - sort of like a car that top-ends at 240mph... where are you going to top-end it at? Moving the entire contents from one to the other would be about it.
 
With that said, have you tested out "real world" performance running some projects you are familiar with? The X3 Demo project I have found useful to try various things out (especially good for setting buffers on audio interfaces). Streaming situations or intense orchestral libraries would be the best test, but I have never done either of these.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/11 09:01:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/01/11 10:41:44
I skimmed thru this thread... so if someone else mentioned this I apologize.
To get the full speed of a modern/fast SSD, you need to connect it to an Intel SATA-III port.
Connected to a 3rd-party controller, you'll get about 2/3 of it's potential performance.
 
On an older motherboard, connect conventional HD to the 3rd-party SATA controllers.
That'll free up the Intel SATA-III for SSD.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/11 11:41:49 (permalink)
This may or may not be useful....some bios  setups have "power saving" and throttling. If you plugged into the correct ports Jim mentioned, do you know if you have performance settings in your bios? If so, there is a possibility that your system is only using what it think it needs to use. If you have any kind of power saving or throttling I would turn it off.

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/14 20:05:53 (permalink)
Thanks for the tip. That's something I had already investigated. I ordered some new gear upgrade today from Studiocat. Very stoked to load it all up middle of next week.  I appreciate you offering help! 

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/18 05:51:22 (permalink)
In the Magician screen it should show which SATA interface type it is using.

 
My non-os drive is performing without issues.
 

 
Although there is a "Rapid" mode but, according to a blurb in one of the screens, it can only be activated on one drive at a time (Advanced Feature | Rapid Mode). I currently have mine set to have the system drive in Rapid mode. That may account for the differences in performance. The blue ones here are my non-os, non rapid mode drive.
 

 
 

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/18 08:08:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/01/19 13:52:49
Couple of things to note:
  • The "Magician" software won't tell you if the SSD is connected to a 3rd-party (non Intel) SATA-III port
  • If you choose to initiate "RAPID Mode", the software creates a 4GB RAM cache (using system RAM)

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Re: SSD performance differences 2016/01/19 13:25:47 (permalink)
Ahh, good to know. That would explain the 'off-the-chart' speeds.

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