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Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
I'm a Sonar X3 user that just recently lost all my eyesight. I've been battling Glaucoma all my life, and all I ever done was record and play music. ANyways, I'm looking for a budget-friendly control surface that will allow me to have basic control over Sonar's functions. VST control would be nice, but not too major, seeing as I don't use a whole lot of them. One that comes to mind is the Behringer BCF-2000, but not sure if that'd do what I'm looking for. Some of the basic functions I'm looking into are:
Faders with memory Panning Mute/Solo/Arm P;ay/Pause/Record Ease of selections of tracks Marker seeking so I can go to certain points of the project Things like this would be helpful. IF anyone has any ideas of something that'd work along thelines of this, please let me know. Thank you so much!
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/11 16:12:24
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The Presonus Faderport will do everything you mentioned for $129.00 or so. The only limitation is that it only has one motorized fader.
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/11 17:09:43
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/11 18:14:35
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Jaws only works with 8.5. I already looked into all that. I use NVDA (Non-Visual Desktop Access). SO what's the Novation Launch Key like? Is it an O Screen controller ALso, wonder if I'd be able to read it.
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/11 23:51:49
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I can't find the link on that page that they're talking about, however, I did find the other file that they mentioned. Do I need to be logged in, for I don't have an account there.
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 02:14:27
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There is some problem with my site at the moment. I have informed my provider. No registration required when it works. LaunchKey is just normal MIDI controller, without motorized faders, with keys. The preset for my plug-in was configured to use TTS to audition transport, tracks, parameter names and values and so on. So you get informed what is going on directly from the controller. The preset was constructed for one particular user, for his needs and controller he had. We can do the same for your controller of choice and for your preferences.
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 07:27:19
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SO, what you're describing, is basically that this is a control surface mapped to keyboard controls via my general PC keyboard, with TTS output? FYI, I do run Windows 10 Pro. Would this also work in parallel with a hardware-based controller? EG: if I bought one, it'd verbally tell me what I'm doing with my hardware? That'd be a bigplus. If it helps to understand some of the VST's I use are: "onboard" ones EG: LP- compressor, etc Superior Drummer 2 Guitar Rig 5 Absynth 5 Izotope Ozone 5 I'm thinking of doing away with GR5, and I don't need to use Superior Drummer, but I'd like to really, sounds better than my Vexed TD-15.
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 08:27:50
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My plug-in is for hardware controllers. From user perspective it work as controller driver inside Sonar. It is sufficiently flexible to not only execute all available in Sonar for Control Surfaces functions but it can also send arbitrary text to TTS build-in into Windows. The text can contain any information available for such plug-ins in text, for example track names, markers, parameter names, values. Hardware button and arbitrary combinations of buttons on controller can be configured to trigger that information sending, for example button X plus button solo from some strip can trigger information like "Guitar solo", "Guitar mute" or simply "Guitar" depending either the track with name "Guitar" is soloed, muted or not. Another information source comes from Sonar state changes, for example Sonar transport can be tracked, producing corresponding TTS statements even when you use computer keyboard to start/stop playing. Control Surface can operate within plug-ins automatable parameters only. Unfortunately, not all VSTi parameters are available for automation. When available, preset can send to TTS particular parameter name as well as the value. I do not have listed plug-ins, so I can not produce good ACT mapping for them on my own. But we can do this together with TeamViewer. I guess we need it for initial setup in any case. As I wrote, I have ready to use preset with TTS for LaunchKey MK1 only. But we can make any MIDI controller function the same way. If you already have some device or can get it, I can configure it so you understand how that is going to work. You can decide then which controller you need, I mean in terms of number of controls and quality vs the price. For TTS in is good to have many buttons which are easy to find. BCF2000 has quite some buttons, but it has no dedicated transport section and all buttons are the same. It is motor faders but they are not touch sensitive. Also I am not sure that endless encoders is the best choice in your case since unlike with normal knobs it is not possible to feel current position. On the other hand you can always modify parameter from its position and not from hardware position of the knob, I think that depends on personal preferences. Launchkey has 8+1 strip buttons, 18 pads (2 round), transport section and track switching buttons, but that is a bad choice in case you are not going to use its normal keys. PS My site is up again.
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 08:56:20
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Do you have a recommended controller? Something that's not too expensive?
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 12:32:17
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I still don't see the link for the plugin download. I see all the descriptions and the instructions, but no download link. Maybe NVDA is not reading it? Who knows, but nonetheless, I have EZController installed, but not the plugin. Also, I am considering getting the Presonus Fader Port just so I can work, until I can save up to afford something like the Behringer X-Touch or something along those lines.
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 13:47:44
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Sorry, attachments was not visible in that board without registration. My bad, corrected now. Why no one has complained before? Just to be sure you are going to use the latest test version of plug-in, there is direct link to it: http://www.azslow.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=28 Without LaunchKey device, the only effect from preset for it is transport audition. But that way you can test that my approach is working for you. You should hear "Stop"/"Play"/"Rec". For Faderport I have normal preset. We can add audition to it. I can not recommend any particular controller, as I wrote before that depends from your preferences. With Motor faders there are only BCF, MCU, XTouch, Faderport and discontinued Alphatrack. If you can find cheap second hand Alphatrack, it has more controls then Faderport and it has touch sensitive encoders. I have good normal preset for it as well. Since it also has a display, I can redirect output from display to TTS in short time. Without any hardware requirements, if you think that can be useful and have time to test the result, I can create a preset for audition. For example: transport changes, track name on track focus change, mute, solo, arm changes for track in focus, markers when now time is changed, everything can be transport mode dependent so it does not disturb music output in Play or Rec.
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 14:23:28
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I'd be happy to help you out with the concept of no hardware control. I am home 24/7 basically. ALso, when you say "Transport control", what exactly do y ou mean? I only ask, so I'm not confused. I"ll look for an Alphatrack, but the Fader Port will be one if the first things I try, unless I'm l.,ucky. Sorry for asking so much, but re-learning how to do things is so difficult. Thank you for your time. Hopefully we can come up with something for the blind and visually impaired. I know a few other blind musicians.
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 17:45:42
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I have uploaded the preset: http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,277.0.html By transport I mean play, stop, record. Let me know in case you can not get it running or want some changes. We can organize "support" tomorrow then. I can modify the preset remotely on your system using TeamSpeak with immediate effect, that will not take much time.
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/12 18:14:33
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only thing I'm seemingly having troub.e with is selecting the control surface from Edit > Preferrences > Control Surfaces. NVDA is not giving me a selection to choose from. Wonder if it's even there LOL or am I supposed to look elsewhere? I see the plugin for EZController under Utilities > Plugin Manager > Control Surfaces .
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/13 03:53:38
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There is a button "Add new controller/surface" over the top right corner of the list. It is small squad with stern inside, there is also delete button in the near, with the same design. May be that is why NVDA can not spot it.
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/13 07:21:03
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I found the buttons, Added EZ Controller, but when I'd go to select the in port and out port to "None", Once I clicked "OK", they ports would default to my MIDI controller. With this in mind, I went to the Utilities menu and selected EZ Controller 1, and from the drop down list, I selected the "Audition" file, Problem was, when I'd tab to the buttons (which they don't tell me what they are), I couldn't find an actual way to close out, but when I pushed CTRL+Tab to move to the next window, if there was one, SOnar would crash. Anyways, I deleted the controller from Preferrences, tried again about 2 or 3 times, and now I have 4 "EZ Controller" options in Utilities, but when I try to select one, they won't load and will just take me back to the main Sonar screen.
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/13 07:47:23
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You can not select None once the plug-in is added. You can do this only when you add new instance, in the Add dialog there is separate selection. 4 instances is bad, you should remove them. Select one by one in the Control Surfaces Sonar preferences and click on delete button, which is near add. They should disappear for the Utilities menu then. Crash of Sonar with this controller and preset combination when you switch to another program most probably comes from the audio setting. SAPI5 TTS works with default Windows Audio Device. I have not made that configurable. So, normal windows audio like YouTube or Media Player should work in parallel with Sonar. Also Sonar should not share the interface, there is an option for that in Sonar Preferences. Could you really hear anything? You at least had to get the word "Stop" once preset is loaded. I have just tested 2 instances of AZController with Audition preset loaded. Works as expected, with sometimes doubling messages but without crashes. I understand that all is not so easy to test for you, so again, let us use TeamSpeak or at least Skype to sort that out.
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/13 08:08:16
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I don't have Skype on my PC, but I do on my phone. I also have TeamViewer and Facebook.
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/13 08:24:10
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I figured it out and I can safely say that you can use SAPI5 with NVDA in parallel with Sonar. It seems to be using the same preset settings I have setup in NVDA as the settings for the TTS with Sonar. Now, I just gotta figure out how to navigate Sonar better with the keyboard. I figured out how to select and arm tracks and of course P;ay/Stop/Rec. They are coming in just fine.
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/15 09:10:08
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I wanted to tell you that I cannot send private messages just yet, but that should open up this evening here. Anways, the plugin is working fine. Only other thing I can think of is to figure out how to tell when clipping is taking place and where. Some form of a level read-out. Anyways, I wanted to let you know that I'm available to help you today come up with the game controller solution that we talked about the other eday. Thanks again for your help.
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azslow3
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/15 12:03:11
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I have written in Skype, I will try to call you later (if everything goes as planned today evening). Clipping control is possible to implement in case the number of strips is limited. FX effects is now possible to add throw control surfaces (but not synth, not implemented on Sonar side and I have not find the way to change FX order). If we get your game controller recognized, I will make corresponding preset. For example with 3 modes: strip control, strip navigation, fx navigation. That requires 6 buttons, 4 directional, one for mode switch and for one for actions. I guess your controller has more controls, in that case some modes can run in parallel.
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gadeuvall2000
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Re: Control Surface for SOnar X3 - for blind user
2016/01/15 12:31:45
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There's 17 buttons on the controller. 4 of them are n the form of a D pad UP, Down, Left, Right. I'm successfully able to get the controller to connect to my PC via USB. I am going to see if I can get someone to help me map which number buttons are which, but there may be a list for that online. I had some layout ideas.
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