Sanderxpander
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Nondestructive quantize - possible?
Hey all,
I really like this feature in Logic. Does anyone know of a way of doing it in Sonar? Basically in Logic you can quantize a midi clip (including strength, offset and swing parameters) but you can always go back too. It is normally no problem to reset to original recording position in Sonar either, nor is requantizing, but I like to play with both swing and strength a lot (I hate hard quantizing) and when you do that you can't go back or change as easily. Any tips?
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Anderton
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/14 19:12:02
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/01/15 01:42:02
Use the Quantization MIDI plug-in. Does exactly what you want. I've been using it for well over a decade for songwriting when I want to quantize a part quickly so it doesn't suck, but then go back and tweak it after the song is written. 
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 01:29:05
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that's the problem with a zillion plugins... didn't even know about this... thanks, Craig
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 02:21:29
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Cakewalk MIDI plugins are nondestructive? If you had a certain feel going on, and you quantized then saved, you are stuck with what you did ... methinks. Not? If so, then the MIDI velocity and MIDI quantize are only nondestructive as long as you don't save, or use SaveAs to have the option to get back to where you were?
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 02:46:33
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GregGraves
Cakewalk MIDI plugins are nondestructive? If you had a certain feel going on, and you quantized then saved, you are stuck with what you did ... methinks. Not? If so, then the MIDI velocity and MIDI quantize are only nondestructive as long as you don't save, or use SaveAs to have the option to get back to where you were?
Craig's right. Cakewalk MIDI quantize is non-destructive. It works exactly as he describes, including after a save
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 10:25:36
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Not only are they non-destructive, but you can apply them if you want to make the changes permanent.
MIDI plug-ins are great and underrated. Would love to see more of them.
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 10:39:34
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Something that might be interesting to try would be to add a second midi track associated with the synth, then copy the existing non-quantized midi track to that, then quantize one or the other, but not both. One could then toggle mutes or solos between the two to compare, while at the same time preserving the original with no danger of it going away.
Just an idea.
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 11:05:49
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GregGraves
Cakewalk MIDI plugins are nondestructive? If you had a certain feel going on, and you quantized then saved, you are stuck with what you did ... methinks. Not? If so, then the MIDI velocity and MIDI quantize are only nondestructive as long as you don't save, or use SaveAs to have the option to get back to where you were?
Craig's right. Cakewalk MIDI quantize is non-destructive. It works exactly as he describes, including after a save
MFX *can* be applied destructively, but if you insert the MFX in the FX bin, and use it as a real-time FX, the changes go away as soon as you reset the FX parameters or remove it from the bin.
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 11:31:03
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GregGraves
Cakewalk MIDI plugins are nondestructive? If you had a certain feel going on, and you quantized then saved, you are stuck with what you did ... methinks. Not? If so, then the MIDI velocity and MIDI quantize are only nondestructive as long as you don't save, or use SaveAs to have the option to get back to where you were?
Are you thinking of the quantize function rather than the MFX plugin?
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Re: Nondestructive quantize - possible?
2016/01/15 11:54:36
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rbecker
Something that might be interesting to try would be to add a second midi track associated with the synth, then copy the existing non-quantized midi track to that, then quantize one or the other, but not both. One could then toggle mutes or solos between the two to compare, while at the same time preserving the original with no danger of it going away.
An easier option is simply to toggle the MIDI FX power button. On = quantized, off = original.
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