Slugbaby
Max Output Level: -33.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4172
- Joined: 2004/10/01 13:57:37
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
NI Session Horns programming
Hi all, I've decided to add some "Memphis Horns" type parts to my soul/rock project. Mostly for accenting the guitar/bass/drum/keys, without much lead work. I'm not trying to program a sax solo or anything... I played the trumpet and trombone decades ago in grade school, and still remember how the basics(breathe, don't smoke while you're playing, don't drain your spit valve at the person sitting in front of you)... Does anyone have tips for making a horn section sound real? Obviously the programming has to be in the correct range for the instrument, and you have to leave breathing space, but past that i'm lost.
|
stevec
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 11546
- Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54
- Location: Parkesburg, PA
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 12:10:37
(permalink)
- Per instrument tracks (no chords) - Don't be afraid to duplicate each individual part using multiple samples/synths - Pay attention to velocity and note overlap to get the most natural sounding "feel" per part - Leave just a little "slop" in start and end times so that the combination of parts seems human - Pan and blend until it sounds right to you - Use a nice small room/plate reverb to emulate a cohesive section That's all I've got.
SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries
|
Ham N Egz
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 15161
- Joined: 2005/01/21 14:27:49
- Location: Arpadhon
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 12:17:35
(permalink)
stevec - Per instrument tracks (no chords) - Don't be afraid to duplicate each individual part using multiple samples/synths - Pay attention to velocity and note overlap to get the most natural sounding "feel" per part - Leave just a little "slop" in start and end times so that the combination of parts seems human - Pan and blend until it sounds right to you - Use a nice small room/plate reverb to emulate a cohesive section That's all I've got. 
Which all works great for individual instruments, and the way to go, if you had a wind instrument controller, that would be better he asked about using session horns but session horns is an "automatic" section, that populates a set with certain horns(trumpet, sax, trumpet, etc) and does divisi based on note/chord input. lots of flexibility in drops, legato, etc in the program and the riff generators, but you have to approach it as a horn player and not as a keyboard player voicing organ, piano etc I have had some success with session horns and SH pro, but it takes some forethought
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
|
DRanck
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 608
- Joined: 2013/05/31 18:35:32
- Location: Sarasota, FL USA
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 14:14:02
(permalink)
Also add dynamics to the horn lines. Subtle swells, etc bring the line to life.
My Sound CloudWebsiteYoutube ChannelThe way that I've always gone about making music, the rule of thumb, has just been to make what I love. Amy Lee Sonar Pro 64 (Newburyport), Akai Pro MPK 88, i7-4770K, ASUS Z87-PRO V, 32GB SDRAM 1866, SAMSUNG 840 EVO 500GB SSD, 2 - WD BLACK 2TB, Samsung USB 3.0 SSD, Win 10 Pro 64, Radeon R9 270 Video 2GB, Dell P2314T 23" Touchscreen, Gateway 23" monitor, Presonus USB Audio Interface, Surface Pro 2 w/ Xotopad as a control surface
|
jeteague
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 64
- Joined: 2015/01/17 13:17:23
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 14:44:50
(permalink)
There is a pretty good tutorial on Session Horns at Groove3 (this is an excellent resource if you can afford it). Otherwise, use the articulations! But not too much. Sparse use of the articulations keeps the sound interesting. There are some fancy things you can do with the "animator", though I find it to be hit or miss for myself. The horn sections split into "classic" and "Motown" styles, near and far mic'ed. Try those variations to see how they fit.
|
Slugbaby
Max Output Level: -33.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4172
- Joined: 2004/10/01 13:57:37
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 15:49:17
(permalink)
Great, thanks - this has given me a few really good pointers! And i just upgraded to Pro today, so i'll get to isolate the horns.
|
thepianist65
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 644
- Joined: 2004/07/30 15:09:51
- Location: Boston, MA
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 16:58:09
(permalink)
Session horns pro has a lot of great articulations that simlulate things like swells, staccato, vibrato, growls, etc. I find it's pretty darn good without a lot of effort. Also, you can choose either smart-voice where if you have a section, it will voice them in the proper octave--although this can be tricky. You can also load individual instruments using Session Horns Pro and use several of those if you'd like to play each track separately. Not sure how much of this is in the basic Session Horns, but IMO it's worth the upgrade if you really need to these features, plus the sound quality is better.
|
arlen2133
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 601
- Joined: 2010/05/20 00:09:27
- Location: Inland Empire, CA
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 17:39:07
(permalink)
thepianist53 Session horns pro has a lot of great articulations that simlulate things like swells, staccato, vibrato, growls, etc. I find it's pretty darn good without a lot of effort. Also, you can choose either smart-voice where if you have a section, it will voice them in the proper octave--although this can be tricky. You can also load individual instruments using Session Horns Pro and use several of those if you'd like to play each track separately. Not sure how much of this is in the basic Session Horns, but IMO it's worth the upgrade if you really need to these features, plus the sound quality is better.
Yeah, that ^^^
Arlen aka Mr Grant my music Cakewalk by Bandlab, Sonar Platinum (2017.09) & X3e , Windows 7 64 bit, Intel I5 3.4 Ghz, 32 Gbs RAM, Saffire Pro40, various pres and VSTi's.
|
dlesaux
Max Output Level: -70 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1034
- Joined: 2009/09/13 09:25:18
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/15 19:30:59
(permalink)
Sound on Sound magazine had a terrific series of articles on arranging horns. Here's a link to the first part. The links to the second, third and fourth parts are at the end of the article. Happy reading!
Peace! Daniel Sonar Platinum - 2017.10 and PreSonus Studio One 3.5.5 Windows 10 64 bit Studiocat Skylake Desktop PC with Intel i7 6700k processor @ 4.20 GHz / 16G RAM Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 Audio Interface and Cakewalk UM-2G Midi Interface Check out my website
|
Slugbaby
Max Output Level: -33.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4172
- Joined: 2004/10/01 13:57:37
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/18 09:32:34
(permalink)
Wow, very helpful. I read the SOS article, and took everyone's advice to heart. I'm really happy with the results so far, and after a bit more practice I'll have what i need.
Thanks very much!
|
thepianist65
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 644
- Joined: 2004/07/30 15:09:51
- Location: Boston, MA
- Status: offline
Re: NI Session Horns programming
2016/01/18 11:42:45
(permalink)
Great to hear, Slug! As we say in Beantown, that is cool beans. Give my regards to your home city, my Mom was born there and I still have many relatives in the Greater Toronto area.
|