MelodicJimmy
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So..... is this possible or what?
I posted this a while back, can't find the thread, but never really got a definitive answer. Since the staff view pretty much sucks in Sonar (although EVERYTHING else is absolutely stunning), is it POSSIBLE to use a notation program like Sibelius and "link" it to Sonar?
For example, could I write string parts in Sibelius and have Sibelius trigger a VST such as Dimension Pro or Rapture? I always thought that this was called "rewire," but apparently my understanding of rewire was wrong. Plus, Sibelius doesn't show up as a "rewire device" in Sonar.
Thoughts on this?
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/14 23:08:43
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Can't it generate midi data events in your notation software, and import those as midi tracks in Sonar? Would that work for you?
It has been ages since I used Finale, but seem to recall doing it way back then even. I would think Sebelius would support doing that.
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MelodicJimmy
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/14 23:37:44
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Probably, but I haven't tried it. So, you just import the MIDI track as if you had played it on a controller, but instead you wrote it in the notation program?
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/15 01:14:20
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Hey Melodic, I've used the Sonar Rewire function for Notion 4 on a very limited basis in X1, 2, and 3. It seems to be okay ( 1 or 2 minor glitches) in that regard. As I understand it, currently you can only export Music XLM files out of Sonar into notation software or Midi files from most notation software into Sonar and not the other way around. Best, HeyDan 
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/15 02:03:46
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MelodicJimmy
I posted this a while back, can't find the thread, but never really got a definitive answer. Since the staff view pretty much sucks in Sonar (although EVERYTHING else is absolutely stunning), is it POSSIBLE to use a notation program like Sibelius and "link" it to Sonar?
For example, could I write string parts in Sibelius and have Sibelius trigger a VST such as Dimension Pro or Rapture? I always thought that this was called "rewire," but apparently my understanding of rewire was wrong. Plus, Sibelius doesn't show up as a "rewire device" in Sonar.
Thoughts on this?
Jimmy . . . the Staff View in Sonar does not suck, in fact it's rock solid, but just not the "notation" software everyone expects it to be. It works great for pop songs, but if you're doing orchestral scoring it will fall short. As heydan says, the options for rewiring orchestral score software into Sonar are very limited, and I have also found "Notion" software to work best. . . . but my main preference for orchestral composition in Sonar is loading up various orchestral samples, and switching between Staff View and Piano Roll View to do the composition / editing. It's also very helpful to right click on the Staff View Multidock and select "Lock Contents", so you can then create multiple Staff View Multidocks for the various separate instrument sections.
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MelodicJimmy
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/15 22:31:35
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I disagree....I think the staff view in Sonar is absolutely terrible. Actually, miserable. That's a better word. Yes, it "works," but it's such a pain in the ass to use that it's like... why even bother? It takes so much effort to do certain things that other programs, like Sibelius can do in an instant, that it's ridiculous.
I understand that they don't wanna put time and energy into developing staff view - I don't even have a problem with that. I know that they have to cater to their core customer base first and maybe a lot of them don't care about staff view. But, couldn't they at least find a way to allow the well-known programs to interact with Sonar? Just a thought.
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/15 23:10:53
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MelodicJimmy
I disagree....I think the staff view in Sonar is absolutely terrible. Actually, miserable. That's a better word. Yes, it "works," but it's such a pain in the ass to use that it's like... why even bother? It takes so much effort to do certain things that other programs, like Sibelius can do in an instant, that it's ridiculous.
Sibelius sucks as a DAW...the functionalities or the two types of programs are very different.
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/15 23:23:51
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Craig is, of course right. Sonar is not designed to be Sibelius. Why would anyone expect it to behave as such?
Same with Sibelius.
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/15 23:27:54
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The solution is for each to do its job well, but also for them to be able to talk to each other (in both directions).
Otherwise the poor human in the middle has to do all the translating.
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/16 00:12:02
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Noy nekker is correct. if I write a piece in midi in Sonar, it would be really nice to be able to move it to a notation file in finale. I tried it, *saving as* midi and it had mixed results. Is there any way to tell Sonar to *rebar* the piece you performed in Sonar? I know it's possible in the notation program but it'd be nice if somehow you could do it before saving it as midi. Quantize doesn't really do it. I guess one could go through the entire piece in Sonar notation and change it to how you want it, save it in Sonar as midi, then transfer it.
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/16 03:11:39
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eph221
Is there any way to tell Sonar to *rebar* the piece you performed in Sonar?
You mean tell SONAR where the downbeats are in a piece that was recorded without a click? If so, Set Measure/Beat At Now (Shift+M) does this. Set the Now time at the beginning of a note using the tab-to-note feature, Shift+M, and enter the measure and beat. SONAR calculates the tempo needed to make that beat fall on the specified absolute time of the MIDI note. The absolute playback timing of the MIDI is not affected. It's easiest of the first note is at 1:01:000. If not, there are a few additional hoops to jump through to set the initial tempo and get the start of the clip aligned with the correct starting beat.
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MelodicJimmy
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/16 04:21:09
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When did I call Sibelius a DAW? It's not SUPPOSED to be a DAW. And, I never said that Sonar is SUPPOSED to be a notation software. However, what I was actually saying was that, if it's possible for them to work together, Sonar should have that enabled. And, apparently they do. Here's the solution to my original question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57afXavIO7Q
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/16 07:20:57
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I have rewired Notion to X2 i think it was. I have a dual monitor so the notation software was on one monitor and sonar on the other.
Playback is controlled by sonar. You can load the orchestral vst's in Notion and write your parts. Then you have the choice of importing the midi data into sonar or rendering the various instruments as audio files and then importing them into your sonar project.
So it is possible but I would it a bit clumsy.
I ended up exporting a mix from sonar and then importing that into Notion and creating my string parts.
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/16 08:25:05
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I posted a thread a while back about this topic and it grew to be about 30 pages!!! This is a very heated discussion at times. Cakewalk have made some minor improvements in the last several months to the notation view. Not leaps and bounds but comforting to know that they are at least working on it.
I, too, use Notion along with Sonar if I need the details of an arrangement such as dynamic markings, etc. At the very best, Sonar's notation is a scratch pad. Don't get me wrong, I still use it almost on a daily basis sometimes. And I hope that someday Cake will deliver on a notation feature in Sonar that is worthy of being included in Sonar.
Now that is all I have to say because in my opinion we all pretty much exhausted ourselves on that 30 page thread last year!!!!! LOL!
BTW, Notion can be Re-Wired in Sonar! I use that quite a bit as well.
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Re: So..... is this possible or what?
2016/01/16 20:31:39
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I posted a video above with someone using Sibelius and Sonar. It's all virtual MIDI cables.
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