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[SSSSolved!] Can't unfreeze synths now.
I have an instance of session drummer 1 and and instance on cakewalk tts-1, both I froze via the snowflake button as I needed to retrack some bass and to do so get my asio buffers down to reasonable latency. I finished that, restored by asio buffer size back to 1024 and clicked the blue snowflake to unfreeze the synth but nada. Nothing happens. Neither does anything happen if I right click the snowflake and try to unfreeze that way. Help! I need to edit the midi track that feed the session drummer but freeze took it away! Splat Lexington, windows 7 :Ron
post edited by bitman - 2016/01/20 20:52:13
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ampfixer
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/17 21:20:16
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Is there any locked clips related to those instruments? I'm grasping here but there seems to be something telling you hands off.
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/17 21:39:23
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@ampfixer: No locked clips (No little yellow padlocks anywhere). :Ron
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 09:31:58
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I have had this issue. I was sure it was related to Toontrack's EZ Drummer 2 but Toontrack and others disagreed. Do you have EZ Drummer 2 in the project?
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 09:48:01
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This is a long shot but... In the Synth Rack try toggling your Solo and Mute buttons on the entries that won't unfreeze then try to unfreeze them again. I say this because a while back I had the reverse problem. Essentially the Freeze buttons became unavailable on certain synths (but not others). By total fluke someone else here (I forget who... sorry mystery helper) had the same problem and suggested the Solo/Mute toggle. Totally worked... so maybe this is the same problem in reverse. It's some obscure intermittent bug (or absolutely horrible design flaw). Sorry if that's not of help but it's worth a shot. Also restarting Sonar or rebooting the system might shake something loose. Cheers. PS: If you can't figure it out and you created a Save As of the project before freezing (but after creating the MIDI file(s)) you could just open that project, toss a single event at the very start of the clip(s) (so just put a note at 00:00:00), bounce to clips (if there are multiple clip segments in the tracks) then drag the clip to the Browser. Open your current project, create a new track(s) and drag the MIDI clip(s) into it. You could also save the original tracks as Track Templates to retain any properties (like FX/synth settings and whatnot) and then load it/them into the current project.
post edited by Beepster - 2016/01/18 10:07:18
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 13:27:48
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@Konrad: No, no toontrack stuff. @Beep: I'll try that tonight when I get home, thanks.
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 14:05:03
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I'm not sure right offhand what's up with the failure to unfreeze, but you can still get at the MIDI by splitting the Instrument track.
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 15:42:34
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brundlefly I'm not sure right offhand what's up with the failure to unfreeze, but you can still get at the MIDI by splitting the Instrument track. Really! - I will try that too. never split the instrument track but I'll look it up. That's all I want. To fix the drums (again). :-)
post edited by bitman - 2016/01/18 17:30:36
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 18:25:38
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Soak in warm water for about 30 minutes.
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 19:29:35
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Anonymungus! Soak in warm water for about 30 minutes.
There ya go.
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/18 20:06:36
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Toggling M/S - no work Split - Sadly, it was not an instrument track I have a copy of the song before save. @Beep: I was able to bounce my midi drum track using the browser. - that's handy. I imported my midi track but cannot drive the frozen synth with it. While I know (think) I can delete the synth and reinsert it but I modified the patch with some custom .wavs and didn't save it so i'd much rather unfreeze the synth if still possible some way. :Ron
post edited by bitman - 2016/01/18 21:06:16
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/20 20:58:38
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I was all set to call tech support (Mother of all eastern storms or not) when I hit on an idea. I looked in the track manager and the source midi tracks for the 2 frozen synths were hidden. I expect that is how it's supposed to be when you freeze a synth. Anyway after un-hiding those two midi tracks and verifying that modifications to them would not affect the synth playback, I tried clicking the unfreeze button and this time and for the very first time after who knows how many vain attempts I must have tried, the button depressed un-lit and the synths both thawed. Modifications to the midi source files now affect the synth playback again. Yippy frickin skippy! You think it's a flaw? Win 7 32bit, Spat Lexi
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/21 01:24:11
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I assumed since you weren't seeing the MIDI that they were Instrument tracks. I'll have to check out whether hidden MIDI tracks prevent unfreezing; that's a new one on me. But separate MIDI tracks don't become hidden automatically when you freeze; I think you must have done that and forgotten. Glad you got it figured in any case.
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/21 03:37:32
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Did a quick test. Unfreezing a synth track with the MIDI track hidden was no problem, and the MIDI track became automatically unhidden. So I'm not sure how your project got into that state.
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Re: Can't unfreeze synths now.
2016/01/21 08:36:12
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brundlefly I assumed since you weren't seeing the MIDI that they were Instrument tracks. I'll have to check out whether hidden MIDI tracks prevent unfreezing; that's a new one on me. But separate MIDI tracks don't become hidden automatically when you freeze; I think you must have done that and forgotten. Glad you got it figured in any case.
No they weren't instrument tracks. When I insert the synth I select "create midi source track" old school way. Hi down there btw. :Ron
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