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2005/01/08 18:57:21 (permalink)

Composition Critique please

hi all,
just before Xmas, a friend of ours asked me to write a
song for their upcoming wedding vow renewal ceremony.
They didn't want to hear it beforehand .. so i guess it's a
surprise... and i'd like it to be as pleasant a surprise as
possible.
In any case, it'll be in a church ... so i wrote this one
pretty much by the book .. except for a few jazz chords
(which I couldn't resist .. ) ;-) I guess it's about the right length
.. under the 3 minute rule.

Anyway, I got a couple of weeks to finish this up .. but I
thought I'd run this by the songs forum since I always get
valuable critiques from you kind folks...

my take on it is that the lyrics are the weak spot on this one....

Anyway .. it's at:

After All

or rev 2 .. which incorporates the comments from below ...

After All (rev 2)


Thanks much,
Jeff
< Message edited by jmarkham -- 1/9/2005 10:59:51 PM >
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    billboutin
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 19:10:28 (permalink)
    Really nice, I can literally see everyone dancing to it at the reception. Thought the lyrics were very strong and beautiful, well written. Only one spot where the vocalist reached a high note that stuck out quite a bit, even more because the rest of the vocal was so smooth and mellow IMHO
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 19:39:05 (permalink)
    thanks for your critique .. hopefully i'll find somebody other than
    me to sing it for the ceremony ;-) ... i listened to it again and
    i know what you mean....
    thanks again,
    jeff
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 20:00:01 (permalink)
    Great wedding dance song. Excellent. Compostionally speaking, I wouldn't change a thing. Lyrics suit it well also.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 20:27:33 (permalink)
    Jeff,
    Nice song. A bit generic but I think that is what this type of song should be, you know easily accessable. I think the lyrics are fine however one thing to think about is that the section speaking of them making it through the storm or something similar should maybe be changed as a wedding signifies THE beginning and it tends to sound like this should be in an anniversary song. (just my take on it if I were having to do this type of song) little thing I just wanted to point it out.
    Also Jeff it sounds a little like a comp of a popular song that uses the same words "after all" not sure who by but even the tonality sounds very much the same as this song I am talking about.....song is something like "After all, we made it through the fire ...after all...." or something. Do you know the song? Anyway just the parts where you say after all...(nice job on the vox. I think if you had a little more confidence in your voice you would do very well vocally. I suffer from the same lack of confidence in my voice so I can relate to the somewhat timid delivery. I do it all the time. I hhope you receive this as it was intendid. Constructive and supportive.
    Anyway,
    A little more is needed and I think it will be a fine tribute to your friends upcomming wedding. Have you started on a condolence song yet for the divorce? Just kidding....
    Mark
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 20:49:43 (permalink)
    hi mark,
    actually, this is for a renewal of wedding vows .. they will be
    married 25 years in a few weeks .. which is quite an achievement
    in this day and age.
    i'm not familiar with the song that you're referring to .. but i'll do some
    research to see if i can find it. any pointers would be appreciated .. the
    song i actually modelled this after was James Taylor's "Here We Are" ..
    which is a better song actually ;-)
    and .. everybody keeps telling me that i should let her rip a little more vocally,
    but i'm really self-conscious about my singing .. so i hold back .. sounds like
    you got the same affliction ;-)
    anyway .. i'm off to see if i can find that song you're referring to......
    thanks for your critiques...
    jeff

    .. surfed a little .. is it the one by Peter Cetera (w/ Cher) that you're
    thinking of?
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 20:54:38 (permalink)
    Hey Jeff,
    I missed that about the renewing the vows part. I am sorry I guess i was not paying attention....again! So then It works perfectly. This should be indicated even more strongly by my comments then eh?

    Hey wait a sec....I think the song I am referring to might say "Even Now"....Maybe thats it. If it is I digress. and well done<G>
    Mark
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 21:08:43 (permalink)
    Jeff,

    I forgot about your email with this attached to it. All these things going on right now.

    Anyway..... I would like to add drum and perc trracks to it. Will that be okay?
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 22:13:02 (permalink)
    hi buckington .. i forgot to thank-you for your compliments...

    and chaz, no worries .. 2005 is starting out busy ... this will
    be a live performance .. so you wanna fly out ? ;-) if i wind up
    submitting this, we'll track it up right .. and i'll look forward
    to your (usual) good drum progs....

    jeff
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 22:37:35 (permalink)
    Very nice. Really hits the spot. I can't think of anything structurally or musically I would suggest changing. The choice of the word "about" v. "around" is interesting. Might want to think of an alternative to "feels your pain" at 2:33, that's kind of cliche now.

    It's great that you could turn the need for a piece of ocasional music into something cool.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/08 22:45:01 (permalink)
    this will
    be a live performance .. so you wanna fly out ? ;-)

    Sure! All expenses paid?
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/09 01:19:10 (permalink)
    hi ed,
    thanks much ... i know what you mean ... the "feel your pain"
    is a cliche .. so i lost it and replaced it with "you just call my name"
    instead ..

    and .. i retracked the vox and tried to open it up a bit more
    performance wise ... just a bit ...

    it's at:

    After All (rev 2)

    and chaz .. i wish i could afford to fly you out here ... i'd love to meet
    you in person some day .. but .. i broke the piggy bank for xmas ..
    .. they have the AES in San Francisco frequently .. you should come
    out for that!

    jeff

    ps: i kind of like the constraints of occasional or period music .. cause
    you really gotta put your thinking cap on. it has to be what people
    expect .. but unique .. so that's always a cool challenge.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/09 04:06:53 (permalink)
    Vox certainly better in Rev(2). You talented bastard. Besides the nice melody etc I really like how the piano remains laid back and interesting. Not sure how you accomplished that but it's really nice.

    She done stole my song - Otis Redding

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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/09 10:06:17 (permalink)
    I think they will be very pleased with the track Jeff. It is a beautiful song for a wedding. The vocals are stronger in v2 as was already mentioned.

    Nice job!
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/09 15:15:22 (permalink)
    Sure! All expenses paid?

    Jeff,

    I was kidding.

    I will still program a drum/perc track for you, though.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/09 17:23:17 (permalink)
    thanks chaz .. lemme clean up some stuff and i'll shoot it your way..
    jeff
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/10 01:46:02 (permalink)
    chaz did the coolest drum / perc track .. can't wait to stitch it in.
    he would have made a great drummer ;-)
    jeff
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/10 03:09:53 (permalink)
    Great job. Excellent production.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/10 03:49:03 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: jmarkham

    chaz did the coolest drum / perc track .. can't wait to stitch it in.
    he would have made a great drummer ;-)
    jeff

    Thanks, Jeff. I think that comes from working with some great drummers over the years and having a pretty good sense of what works and what does not.

    Anyway.... I am almost finished with the tracks, as I need to replace the toms. It will be ready for posting after that.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/10 16:23:39 (permalink)
    Jeff,

    Very,very nice. Compositionally - what can I say? It's very good. You should have more confidence in your singing - you sound fine. They'll love it.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/11 00:32:11 (permalink)
    Jeff:

    I think it's a great song for a vow renewal ceremony. If you're singing this live, you probably will want to add a short intro - I don't think you want to try nailing the first notes without any pitch reference! But, you knew that. I can't really think of anything to improve upon. They'll love it.

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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/11 11:28:39 (permalink)
    Jeff,

    You have such a quiet sincere sound. Simplicity is the spice of life. You should sing it. No one else would cover this tune, this way.


    -Ed Summers
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/13 01:21:12 (permalink)
    Well..... The drum/perc tracks are finished and Jeff should have them by now. Maybe he will post the song with the new drums/perc tracks when he gets the chance to do so. No doubt he will.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/18 01:50:54 (permalink)
    well .. (as promised) .. chaz did his percussion programming for this one .. and upon independent insistance, i re-tracked the vox .. the current incarnation is at:

    After All (w/ Chaz Drums and stuff)

    it's pretty close ... some final tweaks and i think it'll work..
    chaz done good .. amusingly .. someone suggested a bossa
    nova like beat .. and chaz came pretty close to that in the
    chorus and outtro ;-)

    well .. if they don't like it .. at least they didn't have to pay me
    for it ;-)

    any suggestions before i put her to bed?

    thanks
    jeff
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/18 10:32:20 (permalink)
    Sounds great, a Chaz mix? You can really sing when you are coerced into doing it properly.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/18 10:35:14 (permalink)
    No. I just programmed the drum/perc tracks and sent them back to Jeff on this one.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/18 10:37:14 (permalink)
    back to Jeff on this one
    You've been a good influence on him then.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/18 10:39:10 (permalink)
    chaz done good .. amusingly .. someone suggested a bossa
    nova like beat .. and chaz came pretty close to that in the
    chorus and outtro ;-)

    Thanks, Jeff. All I did was follow the pattern set forth in the bass.

    Notice..... The rhythmic pattern played by the claves in the Chorus & Outro mimics the same pattern in the Verse by the shaker.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/18 10:43:50 (permalink)
    Thanks, Ed.

    Actually, Jeff's mixes are not that bad. He does a good job on them. He just sends them to me to take things to the next level. Some day he will not need my services at all.

    Anyway.... I wish I had ten more clients like him. He is a great person with whom to work.
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    RE: Composition Critique please 2005/01/18 12:44:23 (permalink)
    You've been a good influence on him then.

    in all honesty, i've learned a great deal. i get the CWB files
    back from the mixes and i go over them with fine-tooth comb.
    somethings i still don't get .. but i'm a slow learner ;-)
    Chaz has been doing this for-basically-ever ... so i don't think i'll
    get it in any reasonable timeframe .. but at least i
    know when i'm over my head now ;-)
    jeff
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