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2016/01/24 00:35:25 (permalink)

Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono?

Hello Everyone,

I have a complex synth bass track with a stereo field on the top which I would like to retain, but I would like to make sure all frequencies maybe 500 Hz and below are mono.   

Was wondering what the easiest way to achieve this is.   
 
If it was a flat bass sound, I would use the interleave "mono" button, but can't here.

Thanks!
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 00:48:58 (permalink)
Put a filter on for 500 and below and bounce to a new track, then change the filter to 500 and up maybe? Would you give a track for each to what you want with. Probably better ways though.
 
 

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 00:56:51 (permalink)
You could use two aux tracks, one with a highpass, one with a low, and process however you like.

Watch out for phase cancellation if you sum to mono. Might need to use channel tools to add delay to either the l or r side if you find you're getting cancellation.

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 04:38:08 (permalink)
You could check out Mongoose from Boz Millar of Boz Digital for an idea.

http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/mongoose/
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 04:41:06 (permalink)

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 04:46:09 (permalink)
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I use this free plugin:
 
http://www.toneprojects.c...cts/plug-ins/basslane/


Had not heard of that one. Looks very similar in function / purpose. Good find!

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 05:01:58 (permalink)
+1 to Bozlabs Mongoose

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 08:49:12 (permalink)
Ozone 6 and 7 have a multiband "stereoizer". Let's you narrow or spread individual frequency ranges.

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 09:22:29 (permalink)
Take any EQ with a mid/side setting (graphic or parametric)... put it on your master bus, pull down the bass frequencies in the side channel, maybe push it up a little in the mid channel to compensate.
 
Not sure if Sonar comes with such an EQ - I use Fabfilter Pro-Q 2. Voxengo offers a couple of free EQs that allow mid/side adjustments too.

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 09:22:59 (permalink)
+1 for Ozone Imager module. That way you have control over what bass frequencies are narrowed all the way to mono if you want.

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 11:00:56 (permalink)
Thank you everyone for the advice.  I will check out all the plugins mentioned here.  Much appreciated!
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 11:30:38 (permalink)
+1 on Mongoose!


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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 11:36:54 (permalink)
jatoth
Ozone 6 and 7 have a multiband "stereoizer". Let's you narrow or spread individual frequency ranges.



That's what I was thinking.  And most of the other tools in Ozone have the option for M-S handling, so you might be able to do something in the Ozone multi-band compressor or equalizer using the M-S settings.
 
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 11:47:03 (permalink)
Two ways using the same concept (and included Sonar tools).
 
1) This is more mastering (so after you've mixed and exported). Import your mixed export to a new "mastering" project. Clone the track. On both tracks insert the Sonitus Multiband (compressor). On the first track enable every band except the lowest band (so all the low frequencies are silenced. On the second track do the reverse (mute all bands except the lowest frequency band). Now on the second track (which is only playing back the low freqs) hit the Stereo Interleave button to turn it into mono. Of course you may want to adjust exactly how wide that low band is so if you want to adjust it do the adjustment then clone it to the other track. That way you can mute the necessary bands without having any frequncies ommitted or duplicated (because you cloned the effect the band settings will be identical on both instances).
 
2) If you want to do this IN the mix then do essentially the same thing but with Sends and Busses. So make sure ALL your tracks get sent to two busses right before the master (so you would be routing your subgroup busses to these if you are using them. Otherwise you'd have to set it up on every track. You shoudl always use sub busses though for instrument groups). So on all your sub busses set the output to one of your Sonitus Multiband busses and create a Send to the second Multiband bus. Then you just set your frequency bands as described before and set the Interleave button on the low freq bus to Mono.
 
Of course you need to set up all instances of the Sonitus Multiband to not do ANYTHING to the signal. So no compression or limiting or whatever. You are just using it as a frequency splitter.
 
That is kind of a bastardization/reimagining of some Anderton techniques.
 
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 12:06:15 (permalink)
Beepster that's solid info but a heck of a lot more involved than adding a dedicated plugin, such as Mongoose, that keeps it simple.

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 12:26:34 (permalink)
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Beepster that's solid info but a heck of a lot more involved than adding a dedicated plugin, such as Mongoose, that keeps it simple.



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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 14:25:20 (permalink)
Send the signal to two buses and use the Cakewalk Multiband compressor with compression turned off (either Sonitus or LP64 Multiband work). It needs to be set identically on the 2 buses. On one bus solo the bass band only. On the other, solo everything else.
 
On the bus with bass only, add a channel tools plugin after the Multiband and narrow the stereo spread.
 
Dag, I just typed exactly what Beep typed. haha. Nice one Beep.
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 14:38:35 (permalink)
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Dag, I just typed exactly what Beep typed. haha. Nice one Beep.




Except you did it quite a bit more concisely. lol
 
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/24 23:59:25 (permalink)
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I use this free plugin:
 
http://www.toneprojects.c...cts/plug-ins/basslane/




Me too.  But also the Ozone solution works if you have that.  Basslane is considerable cheaper though, obviously(free!).
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/25 00:21:56 (permalink)
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I use this free plugin:
 
http://www.toneprojects.c...cts/plug-ins/basslane/


Had not heard of that one. Looks very similar in function / purpose. Good find!



I found it through SOS's Mix Rescue column.  Excellent column to read, but usually ends up giving me G.A.S.!  So it's a nice bonus when the plug ins used are free!

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/25 01:30:05 (permalink)
This is all interesting and usable, thanks.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/25 06:24:52 (permalink)
Another free plugin:
 
http://www.alexhilton.net/A1AUDIO/index.php/a1stereocontrol
 
"Safe Bass

The integrated "Safe Bass" algorithm centers all bass frequencies
below a adjustable value right back into the middle of the stereo
field. This gives your tracks the solidity and definition you want
while preserving maximum transparency and sharpness. Similar
techniques were used by professional studio producers over ages
with either expansive hardware devices like elliptical equalizers or
even advanced m/s-processors. With my plugin you will be able
to manage this complicated task with a minimum effort.

Simply turn on "Safe Bass" and adjust the frequency if needed.
That's it  - It's really that simple ! (Especially for Mastering)
 
(PLEASE NOTE: THIS PLUGIN WORKS ONLY ON STEREO TRACKS !)"
 
Hope this helps.

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/25 07:47:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mesayre 2016/01/25 15:42:23
Or this one, which is much simpler, if you prefer simple, but still free, and 64bit. 
http://www.gvst.co.uk/gmonobass.htm
 

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Re: Any Tricks For Keeping The Low End Of A Track Mono? 2016/01/25 17:50:22 (permalink)
Mid/Side processing would be my go-to here. It's possible to convert stereo to Mid/Side tracks, but there are indeed EQ's that do all the complicated work for you. The aforementioned plugins are all good choices, and we also have the Hoser XT available on our store that does M/S processing. Keep your eyes on the Cakewalk Blog -- more info about M/S processing coming soon :)
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