BobF
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IK MM & iStuff
Been scoping around the IKM forum since acquiring some IKM tools. Man, these guys are HEAVY into iToyz for music. I can't believe how many posts there are from active iProducers.
I can't imagine in my wildest thoughts wanting to use my phone or tablet for serious music stuff. I mean, I don't even LISTEN to music on little toys, why MAKE music on them?
Whippersnappers - hrrrrummmph!
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 16:27:29
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/01/27 18:30:36
I can see using a tablet live for certain things, besides the obvious lyrics and charts. Considering that many keyboard players have been using laptops on stage for years, a tablet is not that much of a stretch - a current day iPad probably has more processing power than what they were using 5 or 6 years ago.
On the other hand, I think that maybe those iProducts have a lot of appeal for people who probably wouldn't be doing music otherwise. The iPad is everyman's "studio" and beat making device - not every one has a musical ear or a sense of rhythm, but nowadays, that no longer stop anyone.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 16:27:40
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/01/27 18:30:12
+1
Seems to me, most of them just like quick results and their creativity only comes from what's included in the electronic device.
There's no substitute for talent.....
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 16:34:07
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On the other hand...
A very brilliant keyboard player friend of ours once got his iPhone out during dinner and start playing with a little keyboard. When I asked him about it, he said he used it all the time to record ideas and whatnot, on the subway and every where. Now, that guy is the exact opposite of a beat maker - he's a virtuoso keyboard player/musical director and works with the biggest names in the industry... And very tech-savvy.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 16:43:54
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I just sold a Tom Schultz Rockman that I had since 1981. It was a pretty descent little practice tool for back in the day. Was is something that I would seriously try to record from and cut an album on, no. I wish I had all of these toys available to me when I was 18, many years ago. They would have been really handy to write songs from and get basic arrangements laid out with other band members. In all honesty, I think Amplitube for iPad sounds better than that Rockman. I guess I see them the same way, same type of tool, for the same application. I find IK products to be pretty descent. Their T Racks plug ins are really good, Amplitube is my go to Sim and there iKlips and stage tools do a really good job for what they are intended. Am I an IK Fanbouy, not really. I just spend my money on things that work well and don't on the things I have no use for.
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BobF
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 17:27:14
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michaelhanson
I just sold a Tom Schultz Rockman that I had since 1981. It was a pretty descent little practice tool for back in the day. Was is something that I would seriously try to record from and cut an album on, no. I wish I had all of these toys available to me when I was 18, many years ago. They would have been really handy to write songs from and get basic arrangements laid out with other band members.
In all honesty, I think Amplitube for iPad sounds better than that Rockman. I guess I see them the same way, same type of tool, for the same application.
I find IK products to be pretty descent. Their T Racks plug ins are really good, Amplitube is my go to Sim and there iKlips and stage tools do a really good job for what they are intended. Am I an IK Fanbouy, not really. I just spend my money on things that work well and don't on the things I have no use for.
I'm really liking SampleTank and T-RackS. I guess what got me thinking about this is it seems IK are going really far to the iSide. I would hate to see the DAW tools get forgotten.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 18:11:43
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An iPhone or iPad is really just a mini computer. While it doesn't have the power of a fully blown DAW there is no reason why you can't use them for getting musical ideas off the ground or controlling other musical equipment. I mean look at the photo editing you can do on a phone. I have Lightroom on my iPhone and it's amazing.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 18:22:20
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Bingo, Sharke. It's pretty amazing what you can do on tablets and phones these days. I believe that anything IK sells for iPone/ IPad is available for Android as well. There is a pretty huge market potential for phone owners.
IK is like any company that plans on staying in business, they manufacture what sells. If Plug Ins sell, they will keep producing them. Us older guys with sustainable incomes are buying DAWs and Plug Ins, hence the Home Recording boom. Not to say that might change, but if there is a sustainable market, people will keep producing what sells.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 19:59:17
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Yeah they're just showing business savvy by catering to the younger crowd. For those of us who grew up without smartphones it does seem weird to use a phone for music but for Millennials who came of age with all of this mobile technology it seems like the most natural thing in the world to use a phone or tablet in this way. Music companies like IK wouldn't be able to survive on the revenue of us get-off-my-lawn'ers alone, so we can thank the bleepy blippy whippersnappers for keeping our favorite plugin manufacturers alive. Having said that, get off my friggin lawn!
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 20:01:29
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Incidentally, I hear the Maschine app for iOS is a great little beatmaking tool, but I am unclear about whether it's useful to non-Maschine users. This thread has reminded me to investigate.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/26 20:54:17
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iOS applications aren't all toys, far from it. The iPhone screen size is very limiting, but the Retina iPads such as the Air with 2048x1536 resolution are quite usable for a lot of stuff.
The iOS emulation of the EMS Synthi is perhaps the best there is. And just as weird and difficult to get a tune out of as the original.
I use Korg's iOS Ms-20 emulation quite a lot, it gives me something to construct patches on when I've a few minutes and don't want to fire up the real thing and it's also a useful kind of visual patch librarian for the hardware. The emulation isn't quite the same as my hardware but wmulations rarely are.
Inter-app audio makes quite a lot of things possible on an iPad, including multi-tracking into Cubasis or a similar "mini DAW". Nothing like as powerful or user friendly as a modern PC/Mac application and track freezing is pretty much essential, but it's certainly usable. Things like Korg's Gadget are much simpler, but that doesn't mean music can't be made with them.
iOS also MIDI networks very well which opens up all kinds of possibilities, including as a control surface.
As tablets get more powerful I can see them taking over from laptops for a lot of live performance work.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/27 09:12:16
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/01/27 18:29:25
tlw
As tablets get more powerful I can see them taking over from laptops for a lot of live performance work.
Woootttt ... I can mail in my performance!
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/27 09:20:55
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Moshkito
tlw
As tablets get more powerful I can see them taking over from laptops for a lot of live performance work.
Woootttt ... I can mail in my performance!
First you need to get Sample Tank2 to work rooooight? Oh Craig??
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/27 09:22:30
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Moshkito
tlw
As tablets get more powerful I can see them taking over from laptops for a lot of live performance work.
Woootttt ... I can mail in my performance!
First you need to get Sample Tank2 to work rooooight?
Oh Craig??
Have it ... I hope to be able to do more music next month, when I have some time off.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/27 09:55:28
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I have a 10" Android (ICS) tablet that I've been using as a Big Chair Surfer for a couple of years. I've tried more sophisticated apps, but I just can't make myself use it for anything remotely serious. I don't think I'm THAT old ... certainly not as old as some The Ancients here. I do keep a DR-05 handy when I'm away to hum and otherwise make noises into when I get an idea away from home. But I just use my phone for talking. I do some TEXTing using an auto speech-to-text-to-speech feature that's pretty cool 
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/27 14:49:29
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☼ Best Answerby BobF 2016/01/27 18:28:00
Given the option, I'll always prefer mouse, keyboard and hardware controller to anything touch-screen. I can't imagine doing serious work for long periods of time with a touch screen. No matter how the display is set, it always seems uncomfortable and anti-ergonomic.
But there's a new generation out there who seem to be physically well-adapted to those devices.
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/27 17:59:27
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/01/27 18:27:37
Rain
But there's a new generation out there who seem to be physically well-adapted to those devices.
 Yep.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: IK MM & iStuff
2016/01/27 18:29:00
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Given the option, I'll always prefer mouse, keyboard and hardware controller to anything touch-screen. I can't imagine doing serious work for long periods of time with a touch screen. No matter how the display is set, it always seems uncomfortable and anti-ergonomic.
But there's a new generation out there who seem to be physically well-adapted to those devices.
How do they gain any experiences in life to write music about if they spend all of their time glued to their phones?
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