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[Solved ]Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops - Klanghelm MJUCjr,
I can play back this 80+ track tune without having Sonar break a sweat editing this and that abusing the transport. But: If I dare solo ANYTHING it will play back in that soloed state for about a minute then Drop out. The only way I can get it to play is to un-solo and then once the track gets going I can solo for about another minute. I must have a derelict machine man. Addendum. I changed the clocking to try to fix another problem in another thread but it did not fix this. However as a additional bit of interest for perhaps a baker: I soloed the drums and played the track grooving along to them when about a minute in, the bass guitar began to creep in out of nowhere and before I could even think "that's weird.." It dropped out. (The audio engine ceased as it has been). That's inside the Sonar mixer.
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/04 17:18:03
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This is really starting to get under my fretboard.
52 seconds in from start one time, 53 the next. with solo on [drop out]
Seriously? I realize I'm the only one with this issue but not even a wag?
Where's that one dude? :-)
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/04 17:49:39
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All recorded audio tracks? I wouldn't think solo would have any special bearing, but whenever that many audio tracks are playing and there's a dropout, my first thought is disk I/O buffers. What's the playback buffer set at, and is caching enabled?
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/04 22:02:58
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Brundle: That Preferences page is as follows. [ ] Read Caching [ ] Write Caching Playback buffer Size Record Buffer Size 256 256 NEW 7200 RPM HGST 500GB audio drive freshly defraggler-ed. It doesn't seem to matter what is soloed, regular recorded audio or Thawed VSTIs like Session Drummer.
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/05 03:47:29
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I can't repro a problem with a 64-track project, all recorded audio, but my disk is working pretty hard at 256k, and if I were having problems, I would definitely bump it up to 512.
I can't think what what else might be going on in your case. Is it dropping out at 52-53 seconds into the project, or does that run-time limit apply no matter where you start playback?
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/05 09:46:06
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No matter where I start. I've been using Sonar for so long it's not true and I have never seem this weirdo. I'll up my buffers just for fun. Thanks for playin this round of: "What The DAW!"
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/05 10:26:49
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I wonder what would happen if you froze a bunch of tracks, and then tried soloing a non-froze track.
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/05 16:02:58
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I'll try that too- thanks.
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/05 17:14:40
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/05 21:09:39
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/06 03:20:37
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Hi bitman,
this could have 3 reasons: (1) software, (2) hardware, (3) something completely different ;-)
ad(1)
is what you are seeing happening on the latest Manchester build? If so, have you tried rolling back to a few releases earlier (because at least the 2 recent ones had optimizations included also to track solo functionality) ... so it might be worth checking whether this is software or hardware induced ...
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soloed or not, disk load should be the same ... so i would not suspect hardware in the first place but it could be that you are at the limit with HD performance and just a little extra required from the software causes the inability to read all. however, this should be scalable i.e. archive 5%, 10%, 20% of tracks and see when audio drop out goes away ...
ad(3) something complete different ... the Monty-Pythonesque kind of problems ... the ones that do not make sense until you figure them out months later ... e.g. I got audio drop-outs exactly 59 seconds after the start of any song (actually as severe as an audio interface crash) and it took me a long time to realize that I for some stupid reason enabled "always echo current MIDI track" which caused a MIDI loop that took exactly 59 sec to overload all buffers ... took me 1.5 months to figure out. i'm not saying it's the same in your situation, but something done lately that you do not suspect in the first place could be causing all these troubles ...
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/06 08:42:12
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It seems like ad3! - I like that one. :-) Yes it's Manchester. - I know I could roll back a few revs to see if they broke solo on some platforms but in this context (Song Production) I don't feel like turning my DAW into a Gibson Brands test jig. I know that's a bad attitude to take today, but it's solo, not some super exclusive feature. I realize that mine is a special case or the forums would be lit up about this. I didn't think of midi - I'll unplug everything and also check the midi settings. Thanks for your help in this.
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/06 18:21:48
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Ha! FreeFlyBerti triggered a similar memory of woe with the midi echo enabled..
But, I think I fixed a similar problem to yours with one of the Midi Preferences. I'm not at my machine and maybe someone else can help out with the exact description, but it's some preference for Midi Buffers I think. Increased it and all went smoothly. It was some time ago, so sorry for being so vague.
I also run, and have for some time now, my write and playback buffers sizes at 512.
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/06 21:09:26
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I dinked with the buffers, this only delayed the inevitable by 10 or so more seconds.
Then I was staring at the FX button, thinking nooooooo.......
I clicked it.
Crap, now it plays with solo on.
I was of the mind (and still am) that if it sounds good it is good.
I'll try to find out which one(s) are to blame. - prolly the UAD-1 fx - ya think? :-)
Darn it. This song is all but done and it's a deuzy.
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Re: [Title renamed] Playing a song with any track soloed - Audio engine stops after some t
2016/02/06 22:10:05
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Ok we have a winner. Today's problem vst for Sonar Manchester is: The Klanghelm MJUCjr, Vari-mu comp all alone on the bass bus. I've mailed Klanghelm Support. Get it here: http://www.klanghelm.com/MJUCjr.php Glowing MixBusTV review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okuQHiURDZE Klanghelm Support said to update to the latest version as early adopters were treated to a denormal bug in the first offering. That fixed it and now were all good as far as this issue is concerned.
post edited by bitman - 2016/02/07 15:59:51
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