Tempo and scoring to video

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2016/02/01 14:30:14 (permalink)

Tempo and scoring to video

I'm using Sonar Producer X3 to write a score for a short film. I have the video imported and have already written a few parts at various times. Now, I'd like to be able to use the piano roll grid and metronome as I write new parts. Unfortunately, if I insert a tempo change in the middle of the project, anything after that point is thrown way off sync with the point in the video it's supposed to occur. I'd like to be able to lock parts I've already written to a certain tempo and start time. Can anyone think of a nondestructive workaround for this?
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    MArwood
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    Re: Tempo and scoring to video 2016/02/01 15:42:33 (permalink)
    I usually just play the parts in.  I change tempos - not the sonar file.  Notation looks bad when you do it this way.
    A new idea would be to use melodyne 4's stand alone program.  Export tempo map to midi, import midi for sonar tempo map.
    Tempo map would be set up for you then.  There threads about how to do this.
     
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    slartabartfast
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    Re: Tempo and scoring to video 2016/02/01 16:52:23 (permalink)
    You can lock the start time of a clip by switching to H:M:S:F instead of MBT in the clip inspector and setting an absolute start time, but that may defeat the purpose of writing a score. After you do the score, the musicians who are interpreting it are unlikely to produce a frame for frame match anyway. Do you plan to do some time stretching after you have the score recorded?
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    Trapezoid
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    Re: Tempo and scoring to video 2016/02/01 23:51:36 (permalink)
    By score, I mean I'm recording midi soft synths in the project-- that's the finished product. I'm just looking for a sane way of locking down the music cues to their intended time in the movie before altering the tempo.
    The HMSF absolute time trick works, to an extent. Where it fails is with tempo changes, which are locked to MBT and thus get shifted away from where they were supposed to occur. And it seems impossible to move the tempo changes back to where they need to be afterwards.
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    Trapezoid
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    Re: Tempo and scoring to video 2016/02/02 00:06:09 (permalink)
    Scratch that, I think I figured it out:
    Put the cursor at the beginning of the next chunk of music you don't want altered. Make a note of the tempo at that point
    Ctrl-A, then Edit | Select | From = Now
    Edit | Cut Special, and select Events, Automation, Tempo changes, Meter changes and Markers
    Create a marker at that position and lock it to SMPTE
    Now you can backtrack and make tempo changes.
    Put the cursor at the new marker
    Insert tempo of whatever it was before
    Paste.
     
    Everything SHOULD retain its exact timing with this method. It won't be in the same position relative to the grid/meter, but that suits my process fine!
    post edited by Trapezoid - 2016/02/02 00:21:10
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    Re: Tempo and scoring to video 2016/02/04 06:52:54 (permalink)
    You can lasso all the midi and audio clips , right click , select "clip lock", then "lock position" 
    This should keep the clips from moving when changing tempos
    Good luck!
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